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6 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2009 - 9:20PM #1
HinduGuy
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I have always been a bit skeptical when it comes to religion, I do think that most religions arose simply out of man's thoughts about the world around him. Hence the earth was the center of the Universe, God is a man because well women were considered weak and at that time most Kings were men. The concept of heaven and hell, is basically rewarding good behaviour (well in most cases anyway, in some just by being a member of a certain religion gets you an "in") and punishing bad behaviour with hell. That is what we do on earth anyway. The bad people are sent to jail and we hope that they come out better for it, but do they? Most times they come out worse! In some islamic countries they have resorted to barbaric justice, cutting off hands of theives, stoning "criminals" to death etc. The question for me was why would God follow the same stupid policy? Using physical punishment as a tool to correct bad behaviour?

But Hinduism came up with a completely different way, since it is a teacher faith, punishment is not the way of the teacher, one is taught the lessons of God again and again, in several life times. There is no punishment here, you are not going to be punished for the errors that you may have committed in your previous life, but God simply gives you another chance to correct your errors of the past on the path to Moksha. If you were a corrupt person in the previous life, in this life you get a chance to repay those who you may have robbed.

But there is another incredible aspect to karma and rebirth, it forces you to take responsbility! In some religions, God acts like a judge, repent and bingo, go to heaven! You can do whatever you want, murder, rape, but as long as you belong to the right club, you can still get to heaven! Karma & rebirth does not give you an easy way out, it forces you to take responsibility for your actions and make things right. People do it in the same life time a lot of times. Karma & rebirth force you to take a good look at your actions, the world is a far better place because of it.
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6 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 2:56PM #2
williejhonlo
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HinduGuy wrote:

I have always been a bit skeptical when it comes to religion, I do think that most religions arose simply out of man's thoughts about the world around him. Hence the earth was the center of the Universe, God is a man because well women were considered weak and at that time most Kings were men. The concept of heaven and hell, is basically rewarding good behaviour (well in most cases anyway, in some just by being a member of a certain religion gets you an "in") and punishing bad behaviour with hell. That is what we do on earth anyway. The bad people are sent to jail and we hope that they come out better for it, but do they? Most times they come out worse! In some islamic countries they have resorted to barbaric justice, cutting off hands of theives, stoning "criminals" to death etc. The question for me was why would God follow the same stupid policy? Using physical punishment as a tool to correct bad behaviour?

But Hinduism came up with a completely different way, since it is a teacher faith, punishment is not the way of the teacher, one is taught the lessons of God again and again, in several life times. There is no punishment here, you are not going to be punished for the errors that you may have committed in your previous life, but God simply gives you another chance to correct your errors of the past on the path to Moksha. If you were a corrupt person in the previous life, in this life you get a chance to repay those who you may have robbed.

But there is another incredible aspect to karma and rebirth, it forces you to take responsbility! In some religions, God acts like a judge, repent and bingo, go to heaven! You can do whatever you want, murder, rape, but as long as you belong to the right club, you can still get to heaven! Karma & rebirth does not give you an easy way out, it forces you to take responsibility for your actions and make things right. People do it in the same life time a lot of times. Karma & rebirth force you to take a good look at your actions, the world is a far better place because of it.


an analogy that i like to use about karma is in the example of the office building, the worker, and the employer, or owner of the building, the office building represents the universe or body because like the body and universe the office building is made up of nothing but insentient matter. The workers represents the souls and the employer represents God who is the oversoul who witnesses all the work  being performed. Since the office building by its insentient nature cannot know anything it cannot pay the workers according to their work ( karma ) therefore it must take an conscious entity that does witness the work to pay accordingly to the work performed. Since the employer creates the work he also creates the standard of how the work should be performed, which is why you have right and wrong types of work. The worker who excels gets promoted ( heaven ) and the worker who is insubordinant gets fired. All in all, it takes a knower of all work performed, as well as an agent performing work, and the building in which the work is performed for karma to be completed.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 22, 2010 - 11:19AM #3
Comradespirit
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Great analogy williejhonlo.  Too add to it just a bit, the demoted or fired employee can always be reinstated or rehired (and the good employee can lose his place in heaven and get moved back to a lower position.)  This is beauty of the reincarnation. Every soul has the ability to correct his past mistakes and learn to work according to the will of the owner.


The one thing the employee can never do is take the top position of owner.


Some philosphies erroneously teach that we can become God, which we can never be, no more then a worker through his good work can become the owner of the company.


God is always God. It is not a post to be obtained.


 


 

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