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5 years ago  ::  May 16, 2008 - 7:31AM #1
ProfessorGoatPellets
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Howdy folks,

Hope you are all healthy and happy.

Here's something I raised some years ago [under a different name] and never really got a satisfactory answer to ...  With the ever changing usership maybe there's a new hope ...

There are really three things:

[1] How many people are known to have reached Total Freedom through Scientology?

[2] I understand that there is Scientology processing beyond Total Freedom.  Why is this necessary?  For FREEDOM to be TOTAL there must be NO BARRIERS that can restrict action.  If there are no barriers then there cannot be any need for further processing as the abilities that would be gained from the processing must already be possible ...  [Only a barrier would prevent someone from doing something] If there are no barriers that restrict action then it must also be possible to grant Total Freedom to others ...

[3] Does Total Freedom include freedom from CoS - ie. is CoS no longer needed by these people?

Thanks,

Goat
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5 years ago  ::  May 16, 2008 - 10:40AM #2
Gandalf_Parker
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Just guessing on my part but Im not sure if Total Freedom includes total freedom from gaining new engrams. Im also not sure if there is anything in the tech to allow recognition and processing of your own engrams. I suspect it would run into the same problems as any professional treating themselves. Doctors trying to examine their own symptoms, police policing themselves, psychiatrists, computer techs, moderators moderating themselves, politicians voting their own pay raises, etc. At all levels and all fields there tends to be jokes about teching yourself.
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5 years ago  ::  May 16, 2008 - 11:06PM #3
ProfessorGoatPellets
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[QUOTE=Gandalf_Parker;503353]Just guessing on my part but Im not sure if Total Freedom includes total freedom from gaining new engrams. Im also not sure if there is anything in the tech to allow recognition and processing of your own engrams. I suspect it would run into the same problems as any professional treating themselves. Doctors trying to examine their own symptoms, police policing themselves, psychiatrists, computer techs, moderators moderating themselves, politicians voting their own pay raises, etc. At all levels and all fields there tends to be jokes about teching yourself.[/QUOTE]

Surely Total Freedom would allow people to do anything - otherwise it would not be total ...

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5 years ago  ::  May 17, 2008 - 2:34AM #4
Gandalf_Parker
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ProfessorGoatPellets wrote:

Surely Total Freedom would allow people to do anything - otherwise it would not be total ...

Goat


But wouldnt that be like total security? or totally healthy? or totally happy? or free of acne?
They might be true but could be changing even as they are announced.

But I guess since its a religion that it COULD make an absolute statement like that and get away with it. If they wanted to. That would be one of the benefits of being a religion. :)

But I kindof figured that totally free of past engrams didnt necessarily mean free from future ones.

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5 years ago  ::  May 17, 2008 - 8:58PM #5
pr_la_verdad
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[QUOTE=Gandalf_Parker;505103]But wouldnt that be like total security? or totally healthy? or totally happy? or free of acne?
They might be true but could be changing even as they are announced.

But I guess since its a religion that it COULD make an absolute statement like that and get away with it. If they wanted to. That would be one of the benefits of being a religion. :)

But I kindof figured that totally free of past engrams didnt necessarily mean free from future ones.[/QUOTE]

Thus another example of PR.

When people dream, no one wants to think about being tied to the church with all its baggage as a price for this freedom.

Freedom from what?
i say think about "freedom from scientology".  why limit yourself?
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5 years ago  ::  May 17, 2008 - 9:30PM #6
Gandalf_Parker
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pr_la_verdad wrote:

Thus another example of PR.

When people dream, no one wants to think about being tied to the church with all its baggage as a price for this freedom.

Freedom from what?
i say think about "freedom from scientology".  why limit yourself?


Well there are alternatives for freeing yourself from engrams. Couch psychiatry, and confessionals come to mind. Both are rather expensive in their own way but at least they are options.

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5 years ago  ::  May 17, 2008 - 11:05PM #7
ProfessorGoatPellets
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[QUOTE=Gandalf_Parker;505103]But I kindof figured that totally free of past engrams didnt necessarily mean free from future ones.[/QUOTE]

But surely that wouldn't be TOTAL freedom then ...

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5 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 1:57AM #8
Bug
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What is "total freedom"?  Never heard of that before I left.  Sounds like something McSavage made up to make $$$$ on.
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5 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 3:21AM #9
ProfessorGoatPellets
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[QUOTE=Bug;507213]What is "total freedom"?  Never heard of that before I left.  Sounds like something McSavage made up to make $$$$ on.[/QUOTE]

It is the goal of Scientology - by taking a trip over the 'bridge to Total Freedom' ...
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5 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 6:50PM #10
Gandalf_Parker
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ProfessorGoatPellets wrote:

But surely that wouldn't be TOTAL freedom then ...

Goat


I dont think that any of them are. I think that total freedom from your engrams means they are gone. Not that you are immune to more of them. I dont agree with your interpretation of what total freedom is meaning. Maybe if there was something from scientology explaining what they mean by it then we could discuss that.

Doing a google for "total freedom" and scientology seems to only lead me to many many anti-scientology sites so Im guessing its not something worth harping on. All of the "explanations" of what it is supposed to be promising will not be scientologists definition of what it means.

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