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5 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2008 - 3:07AM #1
Christ07
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Hey Moody, hey stardove. How can one be sure he/she has not mistaken their spirit guide for say... a demon or devil? Can one even be fully sure, as tricky as they are?
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2008 - 8:44PM #2
Feinics
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not an issue if you dont believe in the devil.
Just my 2c, but trusting yerself and yer intuition whether yer experience of a person or situation is good or not is important in our everyday life as with our upg's.
I think if I got bad off a person I met on the street il be wary and avoid them just as i would with any energies. But that being said, you keeping expecting the worse you'll find it. I look only to attract positive energies into my life, i ground and shield and I most importantly trust in myself and my gods and guides, to protect me but devils and demons i dont really bothering worry about unless its a scary movie, I think its needless negativity . .
just my opinion.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2008 - 9:59PM #3
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If the topic continues I might move it to it's own thread.

Christ07 wrote:

Hey Moody, hey stardove. How can one be sure he/she has not mistaken their spirit guide for say... a demon or devil? Can one even be fully sure, as tricky as they are?



In twenty years of getting out of the box I was raised in which did have fear the devil in it I have yet to encounter a demon or the devil in my spiritual work. I do believe in protection when working with with spirit. That is more about lost souls or entities that are stuck in the astral plane not knowing they are no longer in a physical body. They just don't get they are dead. Spiritualists help them to cross over (go to the Light), not be afraid of these souls.

I no longer believe in the Devil. I just did a post that is perfect for this topic at the Discuss Progressive Christian forum. I'll open another browser and quote that here. The thread was about contradictions found in the Bible.

Here goes:

stardove wrote:

Moved David to anger?

II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.


I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.


*Note these two books of the Bible in my opinion show the duality of God, since the same story is told twice. The first scriptures have the anger of the Lord and then Satan having David count the people.

In the Tanakh (Standard Jewish Bible) these books are cross referenced. Although the Tanakh does not read exactly like the Old Testament. I Chronicles 21 is the only time the word Satan is used in the Tanakh. (The devil is not used.)

Instead of Lucifer in Isaiah 14 v 12 the Tanakh reads, How you are fallen from heaven, O Shining One, Son of Dawn. Then there is a footnote about the Son of Dawn: A character in some lost myth.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2008 - 12:10AM #4
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Stardove, I think what those verses means is that God's anger can resemble the character of satan, only when he's mad, as Satan is destructive, and God's anger is destructive.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2008 - 12:59AM #5
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Christ07 wrote:

Stardove, I think what those verses means is that God's anger can resemble the character of satan, only when he's mad, as Satan is destructive, and God's anger is destructive.



I don't see the word resemble any where in the scripture. I actually discovered this by reading the entire Bible. Since I had II SAMUEL 24 first I recognized the same story being told in I CHRONICLES 21, which is the very first mention of a Satan.

My God is a God of love, so in reality maybe both stories told twice are allegories. IMO much of the Old Testament stories are allegories.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2008 - 1:22AM #6
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[QUOTE=stardove;450497]I don't see the word resemble any where in the scripture. I actually discovered this by reading the entire Bible. Since I had II SAMUEL 24 first I recognized the same story being told in I CHRONICLES 21, which is the very first mention of a Satan.

My God is a God of love, so in reality maybe both stories told twice are allegories. IMO much of the Old Testament stories are allegories.[/QUOTE]

I must then ask, why do you think there is so much evil today? What do you think god does about evil? Do you think he's always in a loving attitude, even having to watch what evils go on today? In the Bible he got tired of it and destroyed entire cities....
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2008 - 8:24AM #7
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[QUOTE=Christ07;450522]I must then ask, why do you think there is so much evil today? What do you think god does about evil? Do you think he's always in a loving attitude, even having to watch what evils go on today? In the Bible he got tired of it and destroyed entire cities....[/QUOTE]

how can a deity tire?
surely thats more a human condition not a weakness to be found in a god?
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2008 - 8:54AM #8
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[QUOTE=Feinics;450771]how can a deity tire?
surely thats more a human condition not a weakness to be found in a god?[/QUOTE]

You don't think a Gods temper and patience can be tried?
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2008 - 10:54AM #9
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[QUOTE=Christ07;450797]You don't think a Gods temper and patience can be tried?[/QUOTE]

perhaps but i dont presume to understand the full nature of a god and try not to impart human conditions onto a god.
And yer not talking about a god giving ya a boot up the backside now n then cos yer too stubborn to see something though, your talking about a god tiring of humanity in general and annihilating cities perhaps including people not of his own.

i only wonder because you look for demons and devils instead of guides and expect to have a rather pissed off deity. Why go out of yer way looking for the negative?
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2008 - 11:55AM #10
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[QUOTE=Feinics;451026]perhaps but i dont presume to understand the full nature of a god and try not to impart human conditions onto a god.
And yer not talking about a god giving ya a boot up the backside now n then cos yer too stubborn to see something though, your talking about a god tiring of humanity in general and annihilating cities perhaps including people not of his own.

i only wonder because you look for demons and devils instead of guides and expect to have a rather pissed off deity. Why go out of yer way looking for the negative?[/QUOTE]

Because that's what surrounds me, and in this world, all I see in most people's(the average person's) righteousness, is filthy rags. People do terrible, inexcusable, stomach turning things and expect not to get punished for it. Get real, yeah right. Which is why I seek the creator, God.
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