As the Jews are still faithful to keep the sabbath day, they would keep it on a new day if there was a change announced. But not even Jesus announced a change. They reject Jesus, but they would definitely keep the sabbath day on the correct day.

How is it? Wait a minute, you put word sin MY mouth, by saying that i said nothing changed with jesus death. All that changed was the sacrifices, that's all. now......... the old is to be perpetually kept by the LAW, but not with the old sacrifices, as Jesus is that sacrifice. ALLthe laws are still to be kept.

[QUOTE=Christ07;1027465]As the Jews are still faithful to keep the sabbath day, they would keep it on a new day if there was a change announced. But not even Jesus announced a change. They reject Jesus, but they would definitely keep the sabbath day on the correct day.[/QUOTE]

As the Jews are still faithful to keep the Sabbath?  Read your Bible, David!!!  Read that those seventy years that they were exiled in Babylon were for seventy Sabbathical years or 490 years. So to give the land rest.  I know that it was more than sabbathical years the reason why God sent them to exile.  Even when they came back from the exile, they had some problems with keeping sabbath.  Even today, tell me if the Jews, all Jews keep the Sabbath.


But David, you stated that a change was made to the covenant.  NOW, answer the question.  Which covenant are you under?  You can not be under both.  Who was the greater mediator?  Moses or Jesus.  In order for a change to take place in a covenant, the parties within the agreement must die or had violated the covenant.  So, if God is eternal, how could He had died?  He is after all, spirit.  But, if God came in the flesh, born of a woman and under the Law, then I could see that God died, and in the physical sense , did away with the old covenant.  And replace it with a new covenant.  The risen Christ being made the mediator of the new covenant.  The Sabbath, being the seal of that covenant, written with the finger of God(EX 31:12-18) has been done away with.

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The old covenant was the passover sacrificing of the lamb for sin and andd annual atonement feast days.


Hbr 8:7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hbr 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

WHEN? Did the new covenant take effect?


Hbr 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


After he led them out of Egypt. Not only does God write it in rock with his own finger he also writes on the hearts and minds of those who love him.

The new covenant was in effect at Mt. Sinai, Jesus death and sacrifice is the fulfillment of the law -  lamb sacrifices that end.

There was nothing changed in the Ten Commandments. If there was a change I don't think Jesus who lays claim to being Lord of the Sabbath would do away with then one commandment that identifies him as creator, and Lord of Lords.


As a matter of scripture the Lord calls attention to the Ten commandments in heaven here;
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

As a matter of scripture the Lord calls attentin to worship of the creator found identified in the sabbath commandment here;

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The argument that seeks to relegate Jesus and change the ten Comamndments is based on sinking sand and falls under the description of the beast in Daniel 7v25.

[QUOTE=Christ07;1027572][QUOTE=madmutt61;1027546]As the Jews are still faithful to keep the Sabbath?  Read your Bible, David!!!  Read that those seventy years that they were exiled in Babylon were for seventy Sabbathical years or 490 years. So to give the land rest.  I know that it was more than sabbathical years the reason why God sent them to exile.  Even when they came back from the exile, they had some problems with keeping sabbath.  Even today, tell me if the Jews, all Jews keep the Sabbath.

ME: it is still tody a common practice in Judaism to keep the sabbath day. Not all adventists kep the sabbath, either. However, i did not say whetehr or not all jews keep the sabbath, but that as a nation, they still practice it, the same day as they always have, for the past 4thousand plus years.

But David, you stated that a change was made to the covenant.  NOW, answer the question.  Which covenant are you under?  You can not be under both.  Who was the greater mediator?  Moses or Jesus.  In order for a change to take place in a covenant, the parties within the agreement must die or had violated the covenant.  So, if God is eternal, how could He had died?  He is after all, spirit.  But, if God came in the flesh, born of a woman and under the Law, then I could see that God died, and in the physical sense , did away with the old covenant.  And replace it with a new covenant.  The risen Christ being made the mediator of the new covenant.  The Sabbath, being the seal of that covenant, written with the finger of God(EX 31:12-18) has been done away with

ME: Funny you say that, all that is done away with spoken of in the bible is the sacrifices. But the whole law is to be kept, and offense in one point is sin, breaking the whole law. God's laws, written with his finger on stone, are forever binding. The sabbath isn't done away with, because with the NC, we are also jews inwardly, and heirs according to the promise given to abraham, and are thus spiritual Jews, spiritual Israel. What has changed is that we can come directly to Christ to get to the father, we don't have to go to man, or make sacrifice offerings, we just confess them to Jesus with sincere repentance, and sorrow and guilt, being truly sorry for what we have done, and God will know whether or not it is legite, as he knows the heart. Jesus did not come to do away with the law, he came to die for our sins. The part of the old covenant done away with, is just what paul speaks about, and that is all, but not the law, including the fourth commandment. He didn't so away with the whole OC, as he came not to do away with the law, which was part of the OC, the part not done way with, which grace does not do away with, and I'm sorry to tell ya, the sabbath is a part of that law. He did not come to do awya with the law, he came to be our sacrifice. The new covenant is new because Jesus is the mediator, and he is our sacrifice. But that does not do away with the law, grace does not, as paul concludes, and the law is still binding, the whole law, which does not save us, but keeps us from sin. NONE of the law was done awya with, the sabbath was part of the law, the iota and tiddle you are trying to say is gone, but is not. Not one iota, tiddle, etc.... was done away with, only the sacrifices. [/QUOTE]

David,

When you come off your suspension, I will respond.