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Leave it to a man to cut right to the chase :p But right you are, James,,,,,,,oh right you are,,Holly

[color='blue']Yes, BUT!.... (I'm playing Devil's Advocate here. Or Bible Literalist's Advocate take your choice.)... One genealogy belongs to Joseph and the other to Mary. So, they'd better not be exactly the same!

What now, James and Holly? It's your move.[ wrote:

James613]LOL :)

I would say that the genealogies don't say that. They say this:

Matthew 1
16. and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3
23. Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli

[color='blue']Heh. You laugh... But I've had some Christians swear up and down that Matthew's reported genealogy reflects Mary's ancestry, not Joseph's. And they won't hear anything that contradicts them.[ wrote:

Chiyo]James613Why go through all that trouble when the two genealogies of Jesus don't even match up? (Compare to Matthew 1)



[color='blue']Yes, BUT!.... (I'm playing Devil's Advocate here. Or Bible Literalist's Advocate take your choice.)... One genealogy belongs to Joseph and the other to Mary. So, they'd better not be exactly the same!

What now, James and Holly? It's your move.[/color]

Um, I would say that even if that were true, it doesn't matter,,,the lineage is passed through the FATHER'S side,,,Jesus had no human father, according to Christian theology,,,,so it's a moot point wrote:

Steve1939]This subject is a hotly debated one, especially among the non-Orthodox Jewish groups, but I don't really intend to discuss the politics of it very much. I want to simply explain the Orthodox stance, and demonstrate that it is the original Jewish definition

"The original and current Jewish definition of a born Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish. Even though the Torah forbids a Jewish woman to marry a Gentile man, if she does, her children will still be Jewish".  wrote:

This subject is a hotly debated one, especially among the non-Orthodox Jewish groups, but I don't really intend to discuss the politics of it very much. I want to simply explain the Orthodox stance, and demonstrate that it is the original Jewish definition

[color=blue]"The original and current Jewish definition of a born Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish. Even though the Torah forbids a Jewish woman to marry a Gentile man, if she does, her children will still be Jewish".  {from the article above}

Click the link to read the full article. This is interesting since most, if not all, of our Jewish posters here are from "non-Orthodox Jewish groups".

There are several different "denominations"  of Jews. For example: Chassidic, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, Renewal and etc.

you misunderstand me,,,I'm not claiming Jesus was not Jewish,,,obviously, he was, as his mother was a Jew,,,that would not be disputed by ANY branch of Judaism.

To be the Messiah, his LINEAGE must come from the throne of David THROUGH HIS PATERNAL SIDE. Jesus HAD no human father, therefore his lineage can not be tracked to David's throne. One of the Christian claims here , is that one of those lineages is MARY'S lineage,,,,but lineage was not counted in this way,,,only through his blood father. Of course, it's much more complicated than that, what with the curse of Jaconiah etc, but in a nutshell, if a person can't count his lineage down to the throne of David, he can't be the Messiah, and this was NEVER done through the mother's lineage, only the bilogical fathers.

Holly