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5 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2008 - 7:08PM #131
Incognitus
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Kea, you have no right to even have an opinion about Hawkins, because you've never even read one of his books. He's a great apologist and expert on the occult.
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2008 - 11:40AM #132
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This has been an interesting thread. It appears that most everyone agrees that Christian Wicca is an oxymoron. To blend the two would necessarily make the result neither Wiccan or Christian.

I was struck by several comments. I find it interesting that we have at least one poster here who would claim a long association with Wicca, then deny that assoiciation as a ploy to play devil's advocate. It certainly negates any validity of any post that would come before or after.

Last time I checked that sort of behavior is not what a Proper Person does. I will freely admit I might be using the wrong definition of Proper Person. I don't think I am though
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 24, 2008 - 12:46AM #133
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I'm neither Wiccan nor Christian, and I think combining Wicca and Christianity would necessarily create a third religion with aspects of each.  Which is fine, but calling it Wicca or Christianity is inaccurate.

However, I used to know a Catholic witch.  She pointed out (correctly) that the Old Testatment (in its original language) was much more specific in its language.  The word "witch" was never used, and instead, each case was very specific.  The unlawful things that were later generalized as "witchcraft" included:

Contacting the dead.
Certain forms of divination (though I can't remember what kind).
Poisoning people.
Cursing people.
Seducing someone who is married.

The Catholic woman I knew said she viewed rituals not as a way to enforce her will, but as a ritual way to ask for assistance... much like very formal prayer.  She saw the different elements as not only representative of what they traditionally mean, but she also saw them as representative of virtues held to be important in Christianity.

Once again, I'm not a Christian, Wiccan, or witch.  Just throwing my personal knowledge and experience into the mix.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 16, 2009 - 10:16PM #134
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As for one who was brought up a strict fundamentalist, I have to say that it was terribly difficult to leave the church and to walk the Wiccan path.  After all, I was raised to not even look at a book about witchcraft as it might grab me and send me straight to hell.  I can honestly tell you that when I walked through the witchcraft section at the public library, I would feel very uncomfortable.  Several years ago I realized how silly and rediculous this was.

It may be considered an oxymoron by some, but calling myself a Christian Witch helped me begin to walk this path.  I held onto this label for a couple of years as I experienced spiritual growth with the help of others.  About two years ago I finally realized that hanging on to the CW label was no longer necessary. 

I am happy and satisfied with the decsions I have made over the past few years.  And no, I wouldn't change a thing.

Blessings to all,
Alienpath
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2009 - 11:24AM #135
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You took a journey then, didn't you. Congratulations!

Leaving one's religion of birth is not an easy step to make. Some folks can make the break cleanly. Others have to take smaller steps. There is no one right way, is there?

The journey is what matters in many ways. Well, actually the Gods and the journey we make with them and in service to them.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 12, 2008 - 11:04AM #136
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Incognitus wrote:

And I don't think I've ever been on a science board.


Well it would appear, that this is you, on the [COLOR=#0066cc]Science & Religion board. [/COLOR]

Alysoun I am curious is there any religion that one can simply read about and not attempt to practice, and become a master at? I know there are many people who can quote chapter and verse of the Bible, but who have not experienced what it means to be Christian.

I believe it is one thing to intellectualize about something, it is an altogether different thing to walk the the walk and actually experience it first hand. I would suggest that no amount of "book learning" can make up for actual hands on experience. Be that Wicca or Christianity.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 12, 2008 - 11:16AM #137
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Incognitus wrote:

So I have to drink poison in order to know it is deadly? Interesting logic.


I could set a glass of a clear liquid before you, that had no color. You would not "know" what it is until it was tested. Now you may believe what ever you choose, but "belief" is not reality. And simply drinking it would prove nothing as to it's nature, unless it was so lethal as to kill you then and there. A poison does not need to kill when it is first ingested. A poison can be lethal over time, by having an accumulative effect.

I suspect you are as aware of this as I am.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 12, 2008 - 6:33PM #138
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DAH54 wrote:

Well it would appear, that this is you, on the [COLOR=#0066cc]Science & Religion board. [/COLOR]

Alysoun I am curious is there any religion that one can simply read about and not attempt to practice, and become a master at? I know there are many people who can quote chapter and verse of the Bible, but who have not experienced what it means to be Christian.

I believe it is one thing to intellectualize about something, it is an altogether different thing to walk the the walk and actually experience it first hand. I would suggest that no amount of "book learning" can make up for actual hands on experience. Be that Wicca or Christianity.


Incognitus wrote:

Can you link a specific post with my name? I've never been to that forum. Sorry. I looked at your link and my name appears nowhere.


I did, all you needed to do was to click on the red this and you would have seen post, #44. There is nothing to debate about that. If you were truly curious you could have scrolled down to post number 66 as well, another of your post I believe. It was easy enough for me to find based on the information in this thread. And a willingness to look, to make the effort to hear another.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 12, 2008 - 7:05PM #139
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Incognitus wrote:

True Christianity is totally experiencial. We have 2,000 years of saints who lived and experienced God.


In my reality 2,000 years of saints gives, you zero experience points. Your "Saints" may have well experienced GOD, one does not IMHO experience anything through anothers body...Unless of course you are suggesting that you posessed a Saint for a time....

Incognitus wrote:

There is more to Christianity then a book. Evangelicals and Protestants are guilty of reducing the faith to intellectualism and reading.


Should I lump all Orthodox Christians in to one stereotype, and claim they all think, feel and believe, as one? To toss all Evangelicals into one stereotype and then discard them shows your willingness to try to understand others, of your own faith. Doesn't say much for your willingness to to try to understand those outside of your faith.

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They have no real orthoxpraxy.


I'm not a mind reader but perhaps the word you are looking for is Orthopraxis? If it is, religious ritual has very little to do with actually experiencing God, IMHO.

Incognitus wrote:

They took asceticism out of Christianity. That is one of their basic fallacies. By the way, "orthodopraxy" is an Orthodox Christian term.


You wish to claim that the orthodox church took wordily pleasure out of the church? Interesting, I seem to recall a few priest that have been convicted for bring it to their parishioners.

Please forgive my disruption, I apologize for defending another belief here.


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5 years ago  ::  Jul 12, 2008 - 7:16PM #140
DAH54
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Incognitus wrote:

Oh yes I remember that now. Very good. I stand corrected. See I try to be an honest person. Now, my question to you is: what does this prove?


So are you suggesting that historical facts prove nothing? That your ability to recall events that occurred less than 6 months ago is irrelevant? If things can be forgotten in less than six months, how much more can occur in 2000 years?

Perhaps all it proves is you attempt to be honest, is that knowledge irrelevant?

An honest man attempting to be honest can make a mistake in as little as six months, think how much can be lost in 2000 years, how much could be changed... And that does not even take into account those who would willfully attempt to change things for their own purposes.

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