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1 year ago  ::  Feb 27, 2012 - 10:40PM #1
Miraj
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I saw this article and thought it would provide a good springboard for an interfaith conversation about Jewish and Muslim religous law.   Let's keep it on religion as much as possible, thank you!


Why Jews Can’t Criticize Sharia Law


Moment Magazine
Marshall Breger
Professor, Catholic University of America Law School


February 13, 2012

Similarities between Judaism and Islam are easy to see. Both are monotheistic religions for whom the Lord is One. Both are religions based on revelation. In both, law is central, and personal and social existence is governed by a divinely ordained legal system.

There are also many obvious parallels between Judaism’s legal system, known as halacha, and the Islamic legal order of sharia. Both purport to instruct us in how to attend to every aspect of one’s life: one’s getting up and one’s going out, one’s sexual practice and one’s business practices. For some adherents of each, religious law also dictates political life, such as for whom to vote.

Despite this kinship, there are those in the Jewish community who would condemn Islam and sharia, arguing that, unlike Judaism, Islam is not worthy of the protections of American law.

David Yerushalmi, author of a model law banning sharia, argues that sharia differs from halacha because of its different “threat matrix.” Sharia, he tells us, requires faithful Muslims to impose Islamic law on the world “violently,” and its adherents should be charged with sedition against the United States. Rabbi Jon Hausman, a self-styled “warrior rabbi” from Massachusetts, tells us that in Judaism, unlike Islam, the law of the state is the law (in Aramaic, dina d’malchuta dina) so you don’t have to worry about such religious “imperialism.”

These commentators’ understanding of both sharia and halacha is markedly defective.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 4:23AM #2
Ibn
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Jews can't criticise Sharia Law but  [some] Jews do even to this day. For example, in Madina, 1400 years ago, they did not want to accept Sharia Law but Muslims were happy for them to keep the Jewish law and be judged by their own Jewish law. The result has been well documented ever since.


In several cases, Qur'anic laws are much relaxed laws than the Jewish laws.


There is a lot that is common between Jews and Muslims. For example, Kosher and Halal.


Recently when one European country tried to ban Halal meat, Jews were the only other group that got together with Muslims to oppose the new law.


 

Moderated by Miraj on Feb 28, 2012 - 02:21PM
I know one thing: There are a billion Islamic people in the world today, and there will be about 2 billion by the time we're dead. They're not going to give up their religion.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 29, 2012 - 11:20AM #3
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Actually Jews can criticize Sharia law, just as we can criticize Halacha. Neither are static systems. If either of you knew a damn thing about either one of these legal systems, you would know that they are continually updated based on evolving understandings and in reaction to new events, challenges and criticisms. They are both "common law" systems in which criticism is an integral part. 


There are versions of sharia law which are quite distasteful. If Muslims can criticize those versions and interpretations, why can't everyone else?

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 29, 2012 - 1:45PM #4
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David Yerushalmi, author of a model law banning sharia, argues that sharia differs from halacha because of its different “threat matrix.” Sharia, he tells us, requires faithful Muslims to impose Islamic law on the world “violently,” and its adherents should be charged with sedition against the United States. Rabbi Jon Hausman, a self-styled “warrior rabbi” from Massachusetts, tells us that in Judaism, unlike Islam, the law of the state is the law (in Aramaic, dina d’malchuta dina) so you don’t have to worry about such religious “imperialism.”


>>>>>>>>>>> I think Jews can critic Islam when it is done sincerely and with some knowledge of the subject. Many of do just that. Many Jews also defend Muslims and explain good points of Sharia.


However our "David Yereushalmi" is a known hate monger and distort teachings of Islam.


Islam does NOT "Require" Muslims to establish Sharia "Violently". This is 100% untrue. As per scriptures, we can ONLY speak about Islam and people have the right to accept it or reject it. Violanece is prohobited.


 


Good old "Dave" works with people who are dedicated to distort message of Islam.


I do nor wish to see any Muslims or Jews like this. Hate speech is wrong. It is that simple!!

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 29, 2012 - 2:09PM #5
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BDboy


Since you believe that "Hate speech is wrong. It is that simple!!" I trust that you will cease endorsing it, cease quoting it, cease writing it, and that you will encourage others to do so as well.


Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in the effort to remove hate speech from these boards.  

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 11:46AM #6
Ibn
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Feb 29, 2012 -- 11:20AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Actually Jews can criticize Sharia law, just as we can criticize Halacha. Neither are static systems. If either of you knew a damn thing about either one of these legal systems, you would know that they are continually updated based on evolving understandings and in reaction to new events, challenges and criticisms.



There go both Judaism and Islam as systems! Both Jews and Muslims should call themselves  Baha'is because Muhammad updated Judaism and Baha'u'llah updated Islam.  

I know one thing: There are a billion Islamic people in the world today, and there will be about 2 billion by the time we're dead. They're not going to give up their religion.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 12:08PM #7
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Ibn


Judaism has been and continues to be self updating. the same is true of Islam. If there were no need to develop new understandings over time, and no need to decide how to apply principles to new situations, there would be no Sharia and no Halacha. The existence of these two legal systems shows that both belief systems are always updating. (Sort of like those operating system updates on our computers. Lucky for us, the good lord is still supporting the software Smile

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 12:18PM #8
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Mar 1, 2012 -- 11:46AM, Ibn wrote:

Feb 29, 2012 -- 11:20AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Actually Jews can criticize Sharia law, just as we can criticize Halacha. Neither are static systems. If either of you knew a damn thing about either one of these legal systems, you would know that they are continually updated based on evolving understandings and in reaction to new events, challenges and criticisms.



There go both Judaism and Islam as systems! Both Jews and Muslims should call themselves  Baha'is because Muhammad updated Judaism and Baha'u'llah updated Islam.  


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 3:53PM #9
Ibn
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Mar 1, 2012 -- 12:08PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Ibn


Judaism has been and continues to be self updating. the same is true of Islam.


 I suggest that you stick to Judaism rather than sticking your neck out about Islam.  


Islam is complete and already perfected (5:3). It does not require updating.


Mar 1, 2012 -- 12:08PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

If there were no need to develop new understandings over time, and no need to decide how to apply principles to new situations, there would be no Sharia and no Halacha.


Sharia/Shariah simply means "Road"/"Path"/"Way" to watering-place. Since water is indispensable for all organic life, this term has in time come to denote a "system of laws", both moral and practical, which shows man the way towards spiritual fulfilment and social welfare. Therefore, Shariah is shown to man by God and cannot be updated by man. It can be updated by only God. Understanding the principles may vary from man to man or from generation to generation but the actual principles do not change nor need updating. The principles can be reminded if forgotten or ignored by men of certain generation but they do not change. Sunnah of God does not change.


Mar 1, 2012 -- 12:08PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

The existence of these two legal systems shows that both belief systems are always updating.


Who updates them?  


Mar 1, 2012 -- 12:08PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

(Sort of like those operating system updates on our computers. Lucky for us, the good lord is still supporting the software Smile


( This operating system was not created by man but by God. It does not need updating. You may get a reminder from God as to how you should use it but if you do not use it as intended or required then the failure will be on your part (the user) rather than on God's part.)

I know one thing: There are a billion Islamic people in the world today, and there will be about 2 billion by the time we're dead. They're not going to give up their religion.
(Chris Matthews)
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 4:22PM #10
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Mar 1, 2012 -- 3:53PM, Ibn wrote:


Mar 1, 2012 -- 12:08PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Ibn


Judaism has been and continues to be self updating. the same is true of Islam.


 I suggest that you stick to Judaism rather than sticking your neck out about Islam.  


Islam is complete and already perfected (5:3). It does not require updating.




Ibn, How does Islam deal with new concepts such as human cloning, acquiring stem cells, etc? I'm curious as to where Islamic scholars turn to for interpretation of such matters.



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