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Outsourcing heroism
4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 8:05AM #1
fodaoson
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Privatization and outsourcing have found new way of saving money.  Soldiers receive  medals for acts of valor and courage: private  contractors don’t.   Soldiers get low cost life insurance without a war clauses and the widows and children of soldiers get death benefits and the insurance covers war death. .   Soldiers families get personal death notification and bereavement assistance and counseling, and a military funeral.  The Contractor family gets a telegram.  The Public acknowledges the sacrifice of the Soldier by name, the public is not told about the contractor


NYT:” Last year, at least 430 employees of American contractors were reported killed in Afghanistan:”


“By comparison, 418 American soldiers died in Afghanistan last year”


 


www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46357483/ns/world_n...

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 10:34AM #2
mecdukebec
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Ever heard of Triple Canopy? www.triplecanopy.com/   I know many soldiers who peg their PHs to the salary they receive for a 3-month stint.  That being said, I was surprised (Well, not really.) that no one remarked in re: the NYT how the Imperial Embassy in Baghdad is being slashed, as per the NYT, and how civilian contractors' numbers are, too.  (www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/world/middlee...)


To my mind, this could be the Wingos having sown, now shall weep the Wingowhirlwind, back home.  "Stay tuned." 

A conservative is someone who believes that firefighters, teachers, and police officers are overpaid. 

"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore." 

Republicans experience suffering the way they experience all their virtues, i.e. vicariously. 

According to "just war" standards of Christian theology, if Saddam Hussein killed 30,000 Iraqis, and the Iraq War killed 120,00, how was the War "just"?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 11:49AM #3
rabello
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Private contractors make a heap more in salary, don't they, and they pay no income tax on those huge salaries, don't they?  The biggest problem they're going to have "over there" is that they will no longer enjoy immunity from the Iraqi courts.  Their employers ought to come up with something better than sending a telegram to their families.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 11:59AM #4
mecdukebec
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The young men I know are severely screwed up, and have no business being contractors; but they are infantrymen, 11Bs, and this is the way to do downrange, and keep the "party" going.  Fod's article, btw, discusses Afghanistan.  What contractors there are, btw, in Iraq will be needed:  My friends who left there in December 2011 said the Iraqis cut off food deliveries and the soldiers were consuming MREs.  --  That's one helluva way for a "shining parliamentary democracy in the heart of the ME with Protestant churches and Baskin Robbin on every Iraqi streetcorner"--the dream the Neocons sold--to founder on the rocks of reality. 

A conservative is someone who believes that firefighters, teachers, and police officers are overpaid. 

"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore." 

Republicans experience suffering the way they experience all their virtues, i.e. vicariously. 

According to "just war" standards of Christian theology, if Saddam Hussein killed 30,000 Iraqis, and the Iraq War killed 120,00, how was the War "just"?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 12:13PM #5
rabello
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 11:59AM, mecdukebec wrote:


The young men I know are severely screwed up, and have no business being contractors; but they are infantrymen, 11Bs, and this is the way to do downrange, and keep the "party" going.  Fod's article, btw, discusses Afghanistan.  What contractors there are, btw, in Iraq will be needed:  My friends who left there in December 2011 said the Iraqis cut off food deliveries and the soldiers were consuming MREs.  --  That's one helluva way for a "shining parliamentary democracy in the heart of the ME with Protestant churches and Baskin Robbin on every Iraqi streetcorner"--the dream the Neocons sold--to founder on the rocks of reality. 




Yes, thanks for the NYT article, medukebec.  Reading it just makes me angry.  Meanwhile, my cousin's son who became severely screwed up after sustaining a traumatic brain injury as a Marine in Iraq gets no support from the taxpayers of America, while the contractors from the former Blackwater INC got off scott free AND recieved their pay, after shooting 17 Iraqi civilians dead at an Iraqi intersection, where someone on BNet once told me they "don't have cars" in Iraq.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 12:21PM #6
mecdukebec
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No cars in Iraq?  Then, I'll let my friend, who's an 19D, know that:  When he's driving and sees Toyotas, his PTSD kicks in--VIEDs, etc.   I always think of that line from "The Lion, the Witch..." when Aslan asks Lucy, "Must more die for Edmund?"  -- "Must more die for George and the Neo-Cons?" 

A conservative is someone who believes that firefighters, teachers, and police officers are overpaid. 

"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore." 

Republicans experience suffering the way they experience all their virtues, i.e. vicariously. 

According to "just war" standards of Christian theology, if Saddam Hussein killed 30,000 Iraqis, and the Iraq War killed 120,00, how was the War "just"?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 1:15PM #7
rabello
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 12:21PM, mecdukebec wrote:


No cars in Iraq?  Then, I'll let my friend, who's an 19D, know that:  When he's driving and sees Toyotas, his PTSD kicks in--VIEDs, etc.   I always think of that line from "The Lion, the Witch..." when Aslan asks Lucy, "Must more die for Edmund?"  -- "Must more die for George and the Neo-Cons?" 




Yeah, I don't know why the particular poster said that.  May have thought some of us were uninformed enough to "believe" that Iraq was as underdeveloped as is Afghanistan (if you get my meaning with "was" and "is").  Or perhaps the old "they're all the same 'evil doers' 'over there'", a bunch of old men in robes, sitting around in caves sipping tea, born to behead American children.  Who knows? 


I appreciate your last sentence above, very much.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 5:08PM #8
mecdukebec
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 1:15PM, rabello wrote:


Feb 12, 2012 -- 12:21PM, mecdukebec wrote:


No cars in Iraq?  Then, I'll let my friend, who's an 19D, know that:  When he's driving and sees Toyotas, his PTSD kicks in--VIEDs, etc.   I always think of that line from "The Lion, the Witch..." when Aslan asks Lucy, "Must more die for Edmund?"  -- "Must more die for George and the Neo-Cons?" 




Yeah, I don't know why the particular poster said that.  May have thought some of us were uninformed enough to "believe" that Iraq was as underdeveloped as is Afghanistan (if you get my meaning with "was" and "is").  Or perhaps the old "they're all the same 'evil doers' 'over there'", a bunch of old men in robes, sitting around in caves sipping tea, born to behead American children.  Who knows? 


I appreciate your last sentence above, very much.





Interesting how POWW (the People of Wingo World) went from "invade Iraq" to "forget Iraq" all in the space of a few years.  For those of us who lost many friends there, and have many more who are irreparably injured--and most are under 30 years of age--I don't forget.  "How many must die for George and the Neo-cons?"

A conservative is someone who believes that firefighters, teachers, and police officers are overpaid. 

"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore." 

Republicans experience suffering the way they experience all their virtues, i.e. vicariously. 

According to "just war" standards of Christian theology, if Saddam Hussein killed 30,000 Iraqis, and the Iraq War killed 120,00, how was the War "just"?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 1:46PM #9
CharikIeia
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Mercenaries are nothing new. It's what empires employ for fighting their wars.

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that it is hard to verify their authenticity”

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 1:51PM #10
mecdukebec
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Ever read Xenophon's Anabasis?

A conservative is someone who believes that firefighters, teachers, and police officers are overpaid. 

"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore." 

Republicans experience suffering the way they experience all their virtues, i.e. vicariously. 

According to "just war" standards of Christian theology, if Saddam Hussein killed 30,000 Iraqis, and the Iraq War killed 120,00, how was the War "just"?
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