Whatever leverage this man had I believe it is gone. He shouldn't even be allowed to continue to be a priest due to this threat. All this does is make Anglicanism look just that much more of a joke, especially how we put our tails between our legs with this Ordinate deal. I'm surprised The Lead hasn't covered this one yet.


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086720...

GRo,

Rev.Dr.Jeff John is actually a first-rate theologan and pastoral cleric --- a fine but rare combo.  He's highly qualified for the episcopate.  He was, on a prior occasion, a candidate for bishop but Fuzzy torpedoed John's candidacy in the name of "unity"  --- rather than supporting it as an act of Christian ethics.

OTOH, while I commisserate with Dr. John's frustration, I do very much wish he'd keep his understandable pique out of the press.  The yellow journalists and scandal mongers just love this sort of ecclesial spat.  There's a time to exercise discretion, and this is the time.

Otherwise, he ends up looking like

www.drinkstuff.com/img/products/krusty_220.jpg

Jan 16, 2012 -- 10:30AM, Dutch777 wrote:

GRo,

Rev.Dr.Jeff John is actually a first-rate theologan and pastoral cleric --- a fine but rare combo.  He's highly qualified for the episcopate.  He was, on a prior occasion, a candidate for bishop but Fuzzy torpedoed John's candidacy in the name of "unity"  --- rather than supporting it as an act of Christian ethics.

OTOH, while I commisserate with Dr. John's frustration, I do very much wish he'd keep his understandable pique out of the press.  The yellow journalists and scandal mongers just love this sort of ecclesial spat.  There's a time to exercise discretion, and this is the time.

Otherwise, he ends up looking like

www.drinkstuff.com/img/products/krusty_220.jpg

So I've heard. But he's acting like a first rate child that didn't get his way. Very unbecoming of his vows to if you ask me.

Jan 16, 2012 -- 2:41PM, journeying wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 2:32PM, GRobit625 wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 10:26AM, journeying wrote:

It's a civil rights issue. Just like marriage here. Rowan violated his own church's policies. Not to mention law. But of course it is an LGBTQ issue which raises certain prejudiced hackles here.

No one has a right to be ordained.  No one has a right to any sacraments. My priest could have told us no if he felt it was right to do so.

Read what I said. And besides, nobody knows who released this information. It may be meant to harm him.

I read it, and I still stand by what I said. No one has a right to any sacraments. Ordination is a sacrament.  As far as the information goes, it's not like it came from a partisan website. This article was dated the 14th of this month. If it isn't him, he has a duty to come out and say it isn't, because this looks very bad.

Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:21PM, kurnell wrote:

So judgemental!!!

"Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."-John 7:24

We as Christians are supposed to call out what's right and what's wrong. Scripture doesn't ban judging those who profess to be believers. Jesus took issue to people who were hypocrites, calling someone out on things they themselves were doing. He never said not to call a spade a spade if we were in the right to do so. People need to stop getting that mixed up.