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"It Get's Better Campaign" was too late for Eric
5 months ago  ::  Jan 13, 2012 - 7:46PM #1
Nino0814
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Very sad story and testimony of young man.  I only wish he could have believed the beautiful words he spoke to others for himself: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/01/my-name-was-not-eric-it-was-faggot.html 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 13, 2012 - 10:46PM #2
GRobit625
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Very sad story and all too often these pop up, but I truly think they are going at this the wrong way. I don't hear anything about anyone saying that suicide isn't a solution to anything. I lost a relative to suicide and it was very painful to learn that someone can stoop to that position. Suicide is an increadibly selfish act and it solves nothing. This is a very divisive issue (obviously) and there will be some that will never accept it like myself. However, why have it stop the way you want to live? This guy was 19, I assume out of the house and own his own. You just can't force acceptance and live your life trying to get others to accept you. Life doesn't work that way. I pray for God's mercy on him for taking a life that wasn't his to take.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 14, 2012 - 12:19AM #3
MsTopaz
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Jan 13, 2012 -- 10:46PM, GRobit625 wrote:


I pray for God's mercy on him for taking a life that wasn't his to take.




I pray for God's mercy on his parents for telling him he was “disgusting, perverted, unnatural and damned to hell.”


I pray for God's mercy on all those whose "hate the sin but love the sinner" ideology contributes to the culture of bullying that torments these young people.


I pray for God's mercy on a society in which the suicide rate of gay and lesbian teens is five times that of heterosexual teens.



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5 months ago  ::  Jan 14, 2012 - 12:29AM #4
GRobit625
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In life, there are people who will not like you. Some people are assholes. I had my fair share of it in school. Now I'm doing better than all of those guys who once talked crap about me. There will be some who will never accept it. Putting blame on people who hold more conservative views about homosexuality will not do anything but make an already polarized world that much more polarized. I believe in tolerance but you can't make anyone accept anything. Period.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 14, 2012 - 12:47AM #5
MsTopaz
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Jan 14, 2012 -- 12:29AM, GRobit625 wrote:


In life, there are people who will not like you. Some people are assholes. I had my fair share of it in school. Now I'm doing better than all of those guys who once talked crap about me. There will be some who will never accept it. Putting blame on people who hold more conservative views about homosexuality will not do anything but make an already polarized world that much more polarized. I believe in tolerance but you can't make anyone accept anything. Period.





The "polarization" is lop-sided. Fortunately, society is evolving toward justice but it is just happening too late to save this young person.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 14, 2012 - 12:52AM #6
GRobit625
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Jan 14, 2012 -- 12:47AM, MsTopaz wrote:


Jan 14, 2012 -- 12:29AM, GRobit625 wrote:


In life, there are people who will not like you. Some people are assholes. I had my fair share of it in school. Now I'm doing better than all of those guys who once talked crap about me. There will be some who will never accept it. Putting blame on people who hold more conservative views about homosexuality will not do anything but make an already polarized world that much more polarized. I believe in tolerance but you can't make anyone accept anything. Period.





The "polarization" is lop-sided. Fortunately, society is evolving toward justice but it is just happening too late to save this young person.





Laws can change, canons can change...you still can't make anyone accept anything. Acceptance starts inside the individual. Suicide, for whatever reason is always a tragedy. But what needs to be drilled through is that it's not an option. That ISN'T happening. All this does is make other LGBTs think that this is a legitimate solution.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 14, 2012 - 1:24AM #7
MsTopaz
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Jan 14, 2012 -- 12:52AM, GRobit625 wrote:


Suicide, for whatever reason is always a tragedy. But what needs to be drilled through is that it's not an option. That ISN'T happening. All this does is make other LGBTs think that this is a legitimate solution.




On this we agree. I have friends who are psychologists and counselors who work with LGBT youth and I can't imagine that they aren't trying to convey this message, but whatever is happening isn't working well enough. I read once the saying, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem," and that seems very accurate. Somehow these young people need to have hope for their future (which is what the "It Gets Better" project is supposed to achieve).




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5 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 2:02PM #8
GRobit625
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Now THIS is an explination I can get behind. Please don't dismiss it without listening to the whole thing. This guy has a point.



www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_emb...



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5 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 3:04PM #9
JimRigas
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A soluition that only works in movies, delivered unecesarily in extraordinarily bad language.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2012 - 4:27PM #10
GRobit625
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Jan 19, 2012 -- 3:04PM, JimRigas wrote:


A soluition that only works in movies, delivered unecesarily in extraordinarily bad language.





Because the "solution" being currently offered is less of a fairytale...spare me.  It's about self-empowerment, realizing that not everyone isn't going to like you in life. Learning to get over it and live. Stop wasting time to get everyone to "accept" you.

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