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The End of the Organized Prophetical System
7 months ago  ::  Oct 29, 2011 - 3:50PM #1
Ben Masada
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The End of the Organized Prophetical System

The organized prophetical system was so famous in the History of Israel that schools were raised for candidates to the office of the Art of prophecy. The students were commonly called "the disciples of the prophets" or "the sons of the prophets." (II Kings 6:1) That system last until about 444 BCE when prophets and prophecy ceased to be pursued as an Art. That was the time of the return of the Jewish People from exile in Babylon. The time declared by Daniel, when vision and prophecy had been sealed up. (Dan. 9:24)

One of the roles of the prophets was to teach the people to know the Lord and how to obey the laws. But, with the return of the Jewish People from exile, a New Covenant was established with the House of Israel and the House of Judah as one People, when the Law would be written in their own hearts, in the sense that they would no longer need anyone else to teach them to know the Lord, because, from the least of them to the greatest, they would know the Lord by themselves, which rendered the prophetic role obsolete. (Jer. 31:33,34)

Therefore, from the statement used by Daniel that "vision and prophecy had been sealed up," the prophetical system had come to an end. It means that any one claiming or claimed to be a prophet either in the NT or throughout History to this day, was not a prophet. A false prophet therefore, not only for the reason in Daniel 9:24 but also for Isaiah's statement that, "To the Law and the Testimony; if they do not teach according to this method, it's because there is no light in them." (Isa. 8:20)

Now, please, make sure to check the quotations I have mentioned for the evidences, in order not to raise a contension for my apparent implication that Jesus was a false prophet. He was not. He just was not a prophet at all, as neither was any other up to this very day. Jesus was a teacher and a Rabbi if we take Nicodemus' word for granted. (John 3:2)

Ben

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 04, 2011 - 2:23AM #2
withwonderingawe
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Oct 29, 2011 -- 3:50PM, Ben Masada wrote:


The End of the Organized Prophetical System

The organized prophetical system was so famous in the History of Israel that schools were raised for candidates to the office of the Art of prophecy. The students were commonly called "the disciples of the prophets" or "the sons of the prophets." (II Kings 6:1) That system last until about 444 BCE when prophets and prophecy ceased to be pursued as an Art. That was the time of the return of the Jewish People from exile in Babylon. The time declared by Daniel, when vision and prophecy had been sealed up. (Dan. 9:24)



Sealing up the Prophets was not a good thing Ben, it happened because Israel rejected her prophets. In Amos 8 he talks about a time when there would be a famine in the land not of food but of hearing the words of the Lord. In Isa 29 he warns Israel “For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep asleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.”


I don’t understand the whole time table here but Dan 9 is all about Israel rejecting her Messiah


24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”


The Messiah came in the form of Jesus/Yahweh himself and he was cut off to reconcile iniquity. Seventy years later Titus destroyed Jerusalem, the temple and the sacrifices and oblations ceased.





One of the roles of the prophets was to teach the people to know the Lord and how to obey the laws. But, with the return of the Jewish People from exile, a New Covenant was established with the House of Israel and the House of Judah as one People, when the Law would be written in their own hearts, in the sense that they would no longer need anyone else to teach them to know the Lord, because, from the least of them to the greatest, they would know the Lord by themselves, which rendered the prophetic role obsolete. (Jer. 31:33,34)



Sorry but Bible evidence doesn’t draw that picture. Just look at the last recorded prophet’s words.


Malachi 1, writing around 430 bc
“…saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name? Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar”




Mal 2


“ ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the Lord of hosts…ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.


Have we not all one father? hath not one God/El created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?


Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the Lord/Yahweh which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.”



When the Jews returned from exile they slowly apostatized from their traditional beliefs of worshiping El as their supreme God and Yahweh as their mediator between El and mankind. They married or accepted a new god which they relabeled Yahweh.


The Pharisees and those running the Sanhedrin were corrupted by the Greek philosophy while the common men like Nathanael held on to the more tradition beliefs.


When Nathanael first meets Jesus he says to him; “Rabbi, thou art the Son of God/El; thou art the King of Israel/ Yahweh.


Peter also makes this announcement when asked “Thou art the Christ/Messiah, the Son of the living God/ or El”


Saul is a Pharisees and he persecutes all those who are rebelling against the false teachings of the Sanhedrin. He’s rounding them up for executions when suddenly he has a vision and his whole belief system is turn upside down.


“And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God/El”



The whole New Testament is about Jesus trying to restore the older belief system. He told the Pharisees that because they didn’t know his Father/ El they could not recognize who he was/ I am.







Wise men still seek him.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 04, 2011 - 10:53AM #3
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You know, the LDS placing of "Jesus, over there:  Now, you're Jehovah." and "Father, Mr God,  you're over there." has always seemed one of the weirdest, most inept linguistic piles of hooey I've ever read.  Almost as entertaining as the JW assignment of Jesus as a "created being."  -- New world sects that set out to "explain" God sure don't. 

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