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2 years ago  ::  Jan 23, 2013 - 9:10PM #21
mountain_man
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It appears to me that the one thing that all, or a least the vast majority of atheists agree is the "belief" that god-gods do not exist.


Or that they lack a belief in gods. I've not run across many that like me say that there are no gods, or that gods do not exist. Many take the easy way out.


An Atheist can be a communist, capitalist or socialist.


An Atheist could be a Buddhist, or a Buddhist could be an Atheist.


I don't get along with all atheist. I get along better with some theists than we some Atheists.


But in general I get along better with Atheists than I do with Theists.  I get along better with Liberal theists than I do with Moderate or Conservative theists.



I've met many Atheists like that too. They demand that others view things the way they do. I'll argue my position on something until the cows come home. But I don't get mad or don't demand others admit they are wrong. I just have fun. Some people just can't handle that. Well... that's their problem, not mine.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 10:55AM #22
NATAS
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It appears to me that the one thing that all, or a least the vast majority of atheists agree is the "belief" that god-gods do not exist.



Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:10PM, mountain_man wrote:

 Or that they lack a belief in gods. I've not run across many that like me say that there are no gods, or that gods do not exist. Many take the easy way out.l


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I do not "know" that god-gods do not exist.  However I do not "believe" that god-gods do not exist.  I do not "believe" that god-gods because of  insufficent evidence that they do exist.


I think the difference among secularist is between "knowing"  that god-gods and "beliving"  that god-gods do not exist.  


It appears to me that the agnostics take the "easy way out". 


The difference between Atheists and Agnostics is one of "beliving" and "knowing" that god-gods do not exist. 


The difference to me is that the difference between knowing that I have a brain and that I have a soul.  I "know" that I, as well as others have a brain, I do not "know" that I or others have a soul, I do not "believe" that I or others have a soul.  I am  an A-soulist in that I do not "believe" in the existence of souls.  I am an Agnostic with regards to souls because I do "know" that souls do not exist nor do I "know" what IS a soul.


 


An Atheist can be a communist, capitalist or socialist.


An Atheist could be a Buddhist, or a Buddhist could be an Atheaeist.


I don't get along with all atheist. I get along better with some theists than we some Atheists.


But in general I get along better with Atheists than I do with Theists.  I get along better with Liberal theists than I do with Moderate or Conservative theists.



Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:10PM, mountain_man wrote:


The Atheist, Theist, or Agnostic can ONLY be are.


I do not think so because I have know that there are Theists who have Christian fundamentalist.


I would agree that Conservatives  would  "probably"  remain Consevatives.


 


 


 


 


Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:10PM, mountain_man wrote:


 Everything they think or do must be sifted through their religious beliefs first. Your thoughts or actions are also sifted through their beliefs. You're not allowed to have your own. It's that must, that demand, they put on themselves and others is where their disagreeableness comes from.



I would agree that Conservatives are more authoritan and less openminded than either Moderates or Liberals, although there are Liberals that can be pretty dogmatic on certain issues.


Conservatives, by defination want to Conserve and maintain the status quo.  They are certainly less to change than either moderates or liberals.


 


 

Jan 23, 2013 -- 9:10PM, mountain_man wrote:


I've met many Atheists like that too. They demand that others view things the way they do. I'll argue my position on something until the cows come home. But I don't get mad or don't demand others admit they are wrong. I just have fun. Some people just can't handle that. Well... that's their problem, not mine.




I also have met Atheists who do not view things the way I do.  They will not admit that they are wrong and I am right, they cannot handle that they are wrong and I am right and as you said that is their problem and not mine. 


And I would be willing to bet more than a dollar that they have the same perspective about me!  

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 12:25PM #23
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Jan 28, 2013 -- 10:55AM, NATAS wrote:

....I do not "know" that god-gods do not exist.  However I do not "believe" that god-gods do not exist.  I do not "believe" that god-gods because of  insufficent evidence that they do exist.


I think the difference among secularist is between "knowing"  that god-gods and "believing"  that god-gods do not exist.  


It appears to me that the agnostics take the "easy way out". 


The difference between Atheists and Agnostics is one of "believing" and "knowing" that god-gods do not exist.


That's if you go by a creative definition of agnosticism. Agnosticism is about knowledge and Atheism is about existence. Agnosticism, at least defined by the guy that made up the word, makes a claim that we cannot answer the question about the existence of a god because we do not have the knowledge to come up with an answer. I find that claim unsupportable. How does he know we don't, or can't, have that knowledge?


I understand that gods do not exist based on the knowledge we do have. The god idea is not backed by any kind of evidence. There is nothing anywhere outside of mythology that points to the existence of a god. There is nothing, anywhere, that shows there is any kind of evidence that supports the god idea.


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1 year ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 1:30PM #24
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I do not "know" that god-gods do not exist.  However I do not "believe" that god-gods do not exist.  I do not "believe" that god-gods because of  insufficent evidence that they do exist.


I think the difference among secularist is between "knowing"  that god-gods and "believing"  that god-gods do not exist.  


It appears to me that the agnostics take the "easy way out". 


The difference between Atheists and Agnostics is one of "believing" and "knowing" that god-gods do not exist.


That's if you go by a creative definition of agnosticism. Agnosticism is about knowledge and Atheism is about existence. Agnosticism, at least defined by the guy that made up the word, makes a claim that we cannot answer the question about the existence of a god because we do not have the knowledge to come up with an answer. I find that claim unsupportable. How does he know we don't, or can't, have that knowledge?


Jan 28, 2013 -- 12:25PM, mountain_man wrote:


I understand that gods do not exist based on the knowledge we do have. The god idea is not backed by any kind of evidence. There is nothing anywhere outside of mythology that points to the existence of a god. There is nothing, anywhere, that shows there is any kind of evidence that supports the god idea.



I agree. 


]The difference to me is that the difference between knowing that I have a brain and that I have a soul.  I "know" that I, as well as others have a brain, I do not "know" that I or others have a soul, I do not "believe" that I or others have a soul.  I am  an A-soulist in that I do not "believe" in the existence of souls.  I am an Agnostic with regards to souls because I do "know" that souls do not exist nor do I "know" what IS a soul.



Jan 28, 2013 -- 12:25PM, mountain_man wrote:

 Souls; same as the god idea. No support. As with gods, they do not exist.



I agree that there is no physical evidence to support the existence of either souls or god. 



Jan 28, 2013 -- 12:25PM, mountain_man wrote:


 We easily admit that mermaids, Santa, monkeys with wings, etc, do not exist. We KNOW they do not exist.



I think that "they" would also agree with "us" that monkeys with wings and Santa do not exist in the real-physical universe.  I think that "they" and "us" KNOW that Santa and flying monkeys do not exist. 


 

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 03, 2013 - 10:35PM #25
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 09, 2013 - 4:16PM #26
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The difference between an agnostic and an atheist is the difference between knowing and believing.

An atheist by defination does not "believe" in the existence of god. 

Both atheists and agnostics will agree that god does not exist empirically. Both agnostics and atheists agree that the existence of god cannot be verifed by modern sciences. If that is the crieteria, the standard by which we can determine the existence of god, then I will agree  that from atheists cannot state that god does not exist. 

However atheisim is a "belief" that god does not exist.  Even "militant" atheists like Richard Dawkins say that they do not "believe" that god exists.    Richard Dawkins has never said to my knowledge that he "knows" that god does not exist. He has said that he "believes" that god "probably" does not exist.   

A Theisism by defination is a "belief" in the existence of god. It is a postive statement of "belief" in the existence of god.   If you do not "believe" that god does exist then you are, by defination an atheist because you do not believe that god exist. 

It seems to me that you can be both an atheist and an agnostic.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 11, 2013 - 12:00AM #27
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While I see agnosticism as the studied art of fence-sitting, my atheism is grounded in the view that there is enough evidence to justify disbelieving in God, gods, or any other form of supernatural entity.

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