Oct 20, 2011 -- 5:14PM, Aka_me wrote:

"My thought would be that they’re trying to understand what members of the faith understand about the issue," Martinez said. "They’re trying to gauge the level of understanding and ignorance."

does God NOT have an opinion?

on whether illegal immigrants should be sent home before baptism, should be putting their government assistance in the tithing basket to purchase their temple recommend

or... should we do like God does, and prefer Nephites over Lamanites

have church leaders THOUGHT about asking God what He thinks?

the mere fact the church won't publish the results...

PROVES this not about "gauging LDS ignorance" as Martinez puts it, as it is about trying to piecemeal any kind ofposition together in the complete absence of God saying anything.

I take it that you have no background in surveys or marketing?

What the church is doing is seeing just how much of what SLC's saying happens to be filtering down to people.

It's actually a non-issue; most heirarchal organizations will eventually do something like this if they're smart.

It's all about gaguing and improving the flows of communication going both ways.

Oct 21, 2011 -- 2:01AM, Ironhold wrote:

I take it that you have no background in surveys or marketing?

if your point is that SLC is no different than Boeing or Coke...

then just come out and say so.

Oct 21, 2011 -- 2:01AM, Ironhold wrote:

What the church is doing is seeing just how much of what SLC's saying happens to be filtering down to people.

this could NOT be further from the truth...

what HAS the church said on the subject of illegal immigration?

the church SAYS one thing (they're illegal and need to go home) yet DOES another (baptises them here and turns a blind eye to the interview question of being honest in all your dealings).

what's that word for saying one thing and doing another?

Oct 21, 2011 -- 2:01AM, Ironhold wrote:

It's actually a non-issue; most heirarchal organizations will eventually do something like this if they're smart.

It's all about gaguing and improving the flows of communication going both ways.

1. does God have an opinion about illegal immigration.

2. have church leaders asked God what He thinks.

Oct 28, 2011 -- 11:49AM, Kemmer wrote:

I guess that after baptism, immigrants may be politically illegal, but mormonistically legal, which of course trumps anything the gov't. may say?

Mormons find themselves in a bit of a dilemma.  One one hand, they are supposed to obey the laws of the land and on the other they believe that all are the Children of God irrespective of political borders and should be treated accordingly.  Which side do you take Kemmer? 

I'm not going to call Inmigración no matter which way you answer. 

^I see no reason that they need to learn English... we are not still a colony of the U.K. are we?

This is a nation-state for all, so majority rules, that's always how it's been.   Now since the caucasian population is shrinking (the average white couple is having 1.2 children), and the entire population would be shrinknig in the US without the hispanics..... soon Espanol will be the majority language and ya'll better learn how to habla espanol.

Oct 28, 2011 -- 8:28PM, moksha8088 wrote:

Oct 28, 2011 -- 11:49AM, Kemmer wrote:

I guess that after baptism, immigrants may be politically illegal, but mormonistically legal, which of course trumps anything the gov't. may say?

Mormons find themselves in a bit of a dilemma.  One one hand, they are supposed to obey the laws of the land and on the other they believe that all are the Children of God irrespective of political borders and should be treated accordingly.  Which side do you take Kemmer? 

I'm not going to call Inmigración no matter which way you answer. 

Oct 21, 2011 -- 12:50PM, Aka_me wrote:

1. does God have an opinion about illegal immigration.

2. have church leaders asked God what He thinks.

WWJD?

church leaders have no idea.

supporting evidence that Jesus has no connection to the group of old white dudes.

perhaps after surveying the membership... they might piece meal together some sort of official position. but I think they're smart enough to NOT create anything official, more often than not it's bitten them with foot-in-mouth disease after enough hindsight to recognize it as such.