how can LDS scholars expect to be taken seriously when they are not permitted to believe in science?
Should doubt knock at your doorway, just say to those skeptical, disturbing, rebellious thoughts: “I propose to stay with my faith, with the faith of my people. I know that happiness and contentment are there, and I forbid you, agnostic, doubting thoughts, to destroy the house of my faith. I acknowledge that I do not understand the processes of creation, but I accept the fact of it. I grant that I cannot explain the miracles of the Bible, and I do not attempt to do so, but I accept God’s word. I wasn’t with Joseph, but I believe him. My faith did not come to me through science, and I will not permit so-called science to destroy it.”
the reason LDS scholars cannot be taken seriously...
is because they reject all the portions of science which don't suit their needs.
and it is anti-scientific to reject any portion of science. because it's the SAME PROCESS which brought us computers and satelites that ALSO brought us anthropology, evolution, biology, chemistry, physics, and geology.
respecting biology... while believing the 3 nephites cannot die, is purely impossible.
respecting physics... while believing in a liahona, is purely impossible.
respecting chemistry... while believing in glowing rocks, is purely impossible.
respecting geology... while believing in a magical urim and thummim, is purely impossible.
respecting linguistics... while believing in reformed egyptian, is purely impossible.
respecting evolution... while believing that lamanites and nephites changed colors the way they would change underwear, is purely impossible.
respecting quantum mechanics... while believing the tablets vanished from existence, is purely impossible.
respecting astronomy... while believing the earth was flicked like a bugger across the galaxy, is purely impossible.
respecting optometry... while believing in Kae-e-vanrash, is purely impossible.
respecting microbiology... while believing a roll over submersible full of animals wouldn't kill the occupants with fecal bacteria, is purely impossible.
it is COMPLETELY incompatible to discard so much science AND seek to be taken seriously.
how does that feel to be a lawnmower man? must be a real rush.
I saw the article, but it still doesn't respond to the basic observation: Yes, the Mopologists may be smart and lots of naft scholarly credentials, but there's nothing called "Reformed Egyptian," there is utterly no evidence of a giganto-civlisation of Judeo Iroquois and Judeo Inuit ever existing in the Americas, and there's not one damn plate of those JS wunder-plates, now, putatively, in the custodianship of some angel.
Mopologists are doubtless smart; but, they had better damned sure tow the party line. The BoM is interesting fiction; but, it's not historically accurate fiction.
A conservative is someone who believes that firefighters, teachers, and police officers are overpaid.
"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore."
Republicans experience suffering the way they experience all their virtues, i.e. vicariously.
According to "just war" standards of Christian theology, if Saddam Hussein killed 30,000 Iraqis, and the Iraq War killed 120,00, how was the War "just"?
LDS scholars are in no position to request being taken seriously
when the very foundation of theological existence (church leadership) has painted them into a corner of having no choice but to "take it literally... or go home".
it's getting the PEOPLE to remember that science can't answer WHY, and religion can't answer HOW... reality came to exist the way it did?
in addition to getting the LDS scholars to figure out what to do with the mountain of science they can't accept.
oh, and... getting the LDS scholars to realize there's no way they CAN be taken seriously.
If they do accept it, or they find something contradictory to the BoM they get excommunicated.
What Iron describes as religion and science not bashing each other around is really just compartmentalized thinking.
"When you walk, you might like to take the hand of a child. She will receive your concentration and stability, and you will receive her freshness and innocence." -Tich Naht Hanh
What Iron describes as religion and science not bashing each other around is really just compartmentalized thinking.
exactly!
science... without consciously trying to do so, is taking baby steps into the topic of WHY as it discovers truths which religion has been saying for thousands of years.
and when religion is out of touch with reality (see extensive list in opening post) it sets the stage for a cognative dissonance at the conflicts between the two.
the false dichotomy of science and religion are even capable of bashing each other...
EXISTS because one's compartmentalized view of religion is FLAWED and not part of the same reality correctly explained by science.
any rational person MUST ask themselves why would the two have any conflicts, and theists can pick from any number of explanations, except LDS.
having one's head buried in the sand to the "out of touch" list, while expecting to be taken seriously...
is a joke!
no one takes a person with their head buried in the sand seriously.
how does that feel to be a lawnmower man? must be a real rush.
I do believe we've already gone over this a few times.
If you'll look at virtually any religion, you'll see very religious individuals who were also scientists, researchers, and academics.
It's all about remembering that science and religion each have their place in life, and that the two aren't supposed to be bashing each other around.
Or did you forget all of that?
"Point weak here. Yeah like hell."
A conservative is someone who believes that firefighters, teachers, and police officers are overpaid.
"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore."
Republicans experience suffering the way they experience all their virtues, i.e. vicariously.
According to "just war" standards of Christian theology, if Saddam Hussein killed 30,000 Iraqis, and the Iraq War killed 120,00, how was the War "just"?
What Iron describes as religion and science not bashing each other around is really just compartmentalized thinking.
Actually, no.
What I'm describing is how scientists do it in real life.
In fact, back when I was taking some geology courses for my associates', the professor read a prepared statement at the beginning of each class that basically echoed what I told you: science & religion each have their own place, and should not intrude upon one another.
What Iron describes as religion and science not bashing each other around is really just compartmentalized thinking.
Actually, no.
What I'm describing is how scientists do it in real life.
In fact, back when I was taking some geology courses for my associates', the professor read a prepared statement at the beginning of each class that basically echoed what I told you: science & religion each have their own place, and should not intrude upon one another.
What Iron describes as religion and science not bashing each other around is really just compartmentalized thinking.
Actually, no.
What I'm describing is how scientists do it in real life.
In fact, back when I was taking some geology courses for my associates', the professor read a prepared statement at the beginning of each class that basically echoed what I told you: science & religion each have their own place, and should not intrude upon one another.
My family is full of educators and scientists. My uncle was a Nobel Prize nominee for his work in malaria. My father was a zoologist. I know how science works.
Read Me's post right before my last one. When the Bible or the BoM are taken literally then science cannot be taken as fact. This where compartmentalized thinking comes in.
Science and religion have their own place (as in compartments)? You just echoed what I said.
"When you walk, you might like to take the hand of a child. She will receive your concentration and stability, and you will receive her freshness and innocence." -Tich Naht Hanh
