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Love of Recently Married People
11 months ago  ::  Jul 20, 2011 - 5:17PM #1
Ben Masada
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Love of Recently Married People

One day, Jesus was paying a visit to his most dearly-more-than-a-cousin, John the Immerser, over the other side of the Jordan. Perhaps, it had been a long time since they hadn't seen each other. (John 10:40)

Soon enough, while he was enjoying the company of his dearly host, a messenger from Bethany had arrived with the message that Lazarus was so sick that he was approaching his last hour. Jesus waved the urgency, discarded the messenser, and stayed for another two days.

Before Jesus started stinking like a fish, he gathered his disciples and headed towards Bethany. There is a saying in Hebrew that, "Orehim ve dagim masrihim aharei shelosha yamim." In English won't sound so funny but it goes thus, "Guests and fish start stinking after three days." Then, he headed towards Bethany.

At the sight of Bethany, but still a few yards away, Martha, in tears, was running to meet Jesus, as she informed him that Lazarus had been buried already for four days. Somehow, Jesus waved her excitement away as if he had not listened to her, and aked, "Where is Mary?"

Martha got the message and ran back to the house to inform Mary that Jesus had arrived and was asking for her. This, promptly arose, and still in tears, went to meet him. As Jesus realized that Mary was crying, a strong disturbance occurred in the deepest of his emotions, and he also joined her in her predicament with likewise a tearful face.

Conclusion: a) At the news that Lazarus was at his final hour, Jesus discarded the messenger and the message for at least another two days. b) At meeting a crying Martha with the message that Lazarus was already buried, he asked for Mary. c) Mary didn't even have to speak, but the sight of a tearful face in his beloved was enough to extract from the deepest of his heart such a disturbed emotion that caused Jesus to melt all down in tears. That could not be anything else but love of the kind of recently married people. That's an extra evidence that they were married to each other. (John 11:1-38)

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 22, 2011 - 12:16AM #2
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Jul 20, 2011 -- 5:17PM, Ben Masada wrote:


Love of Recently Married People

One day, Jesus was paying a visit to his most dearly-more-than-a-cousin, John the Immerser, over the other side of the Jordan. Perhaps, it had been a long time since they hadn't seen each other. (John 10:40)




Ben, at this time and event, John the Baptist had been beheaded for several years.  Jesus was in control of the situation, as the context showed. The Jewish leaders had recently tried again to stone HIM to death. But more importantly, a raising to life of one that already "stinkest" couldn't be construed as "the person wasn't really dead."

Jesus' point of waiting was to demonstrate HIS Resurrecting Ability and that promise to all Believers-- "I am the Resurrection and the eternal LIFE" that I Came to Die on the Cross to provide. And the record shows many of the mourners believed upon witnessing the Resurrection of Lazarus.


Ben, initially you claimed it was Mary Magdalene that Jesus married. Now you are switching to Mary of Bethany. BUT, HE was married to neither.  At the Cross, John was the ONE who was asked by Jesus to care for HIS Mother.  John's life was spared for the Writing of Revelations.(some 60+ years later.) Ruth and Naomi gives a different picture and another fact against any being a wife of Jesus.


Your fabricated senario just doesn't hold up under the facts of the scriptures.
 



 
Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2011 - 3:11PM #3
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Jul 22, 2011 -- 12:16AM, sincerly wrote:


Jul 20, 2011 -- 5:17PM, Ben Masada wrote:


Love of Recently Married People

One day, Jesus was paying a visit to his most dearly-more-than-a-cousin, John the Immerser, over the other side of the Jordan. Perhaps, it had been a long time since they hadn't seen each other. (John 10:40)




Ben, at this time and event, John the Baptist had been beheaded for several years.  Jesus was in control of the situation, as the context showed. The Jewish leaders had recently tried again to stone HIM to death. But more importantly, a raising to life of one that already "stinkest" couldn't be construed as "the person wasn't really dead."

Jesus' point of waiting was to demonstrate HIS Resurrecting Ability and that promise to all Believers-- "I am the Resurrection and the eternal LIFE" that I Came to Die on the Cross to provide. And the record shows many of the mourners believed upon witnessing the Resurrection of Lazarus.


Ben, initially you claimed it was Mary Magdalene that Jesus married. Now you are switching to Mary of Bethany. BUT, HE was married to neither.  At the Cross, John was the ONE who was asked by Jesus to care for HIS Mother.  John's life was spared for the Writing of Revelations.(some 60+ years later.) Ruth and Naomi gives a different picture and another fact against any being a wife of Jesus.


Your fabricated senario just doesn't hold up under the facts of the scriptures.
 



 




You are completely unaware of Roman History. During the Republic, it was a Roman policy to arrest only the heads of private groups so that the disciples would spread. And that no disciple of a crucified was allowed to be present at the Calvary. Only women if they were close relatives. Therefore, Mary the Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, his wife, his beloved disciple. Besides, when Jesus was arrested ALL his disciples left him and fled. Read Mark 14:50.


And with regards to Mary Magdalene and Mary of Betany, they were one and the same. Mary Magdalene because she had her business in Magdala. And at her home in Betany, she probably did not want to be recognized as the Magdalene, although that's why she become famous for.


And Jesus could not have said that he was the resurrection and eternal life because he was a loyal Jew. Jews do not believe in bodily resurrection. Read Job 10:21; and with regards to eternal life, this is an attribute which was not granted to man. Read Genesis 3:22. Eternal life

only God has it. The rest of us who have been born, are eventually to perish.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2011 - 11:11PM #4
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Jul 26, 2011 -- 3:11PM, Ben Masada wrote:


Jul 22, 2011 -- 12:16AM, sincerly wrote:

  Ben, at this time and event, John the Baptist had been beheaded for several years.  Jesus was in control of the situation, as the context showed. The Jewish leaders had recently tried again to stone HIM to death. But more importantly, a raising to life of one that already "stinkest" couldn't be construed as "the person wasn't really dead."


Jesus' point of waiting was to demonstrate HIS Resurrecting Ability and that promise to all Believers-- "I am the Resurrection and the eternal LIFE" that I Came to Die on the Cross to provide. And the record shows many of the mourners believed upon witnessing the Resurrection of Lazarus.


Ben, initially you claimed it was Mary Magdalene that Jesus married. Now you are switching to Mary of Bethany. BUT, HE was married to neither.  At the Cross, John was the ONE who was asked by Jesus to care for HIS Mother.  John's life was spared for the Writing of Revelations.(some 60+ years later.) Ruth and Naomi gives a different picture and another fact against any being a wife of Jesus.


Your fabricated senario just doesn't hold up under the facts of the scriptures. 




You are completely unaware of Roman History. During the Republic, it was a Roman policy to arrest only the heads of private groups so that the disciples would spread. And that no disciple of a crucified was allowed to be present at the Calvary. Only women if they were close relatives. Therefore, Mary the Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, his wife, his beloved disciple. Besides, when Jesus was arrested ALL his disciples left him and fled. Read Mark 14:50.


And with regards to Mary Magdalene and Mary of Betany, they were one and the same. Mary Magdalene because she had her business in Magdala. And at her home in Betany, she probably did not want to be recognized as the Magdalene, although that's why she become famous for.


And Jesus could not have said that he was the resurrection and eternal life because he was a loyal Jew. Jews do not believe in bodily resurrection. Read Job 10:21; and with regards to eternal life, this is an attribute which was not granted to man. Read Genesis 3:22. Eternal life

only God has it. The rest of us who have been born, are eventually to perish. 




Ben, where to start to show your erroneous concocted fabrication of a senario.  It wasn't Roman history, but prophetic fulfillment that had the Disciples "scattering" at the arrest.


 

Again, there is no scripture to connect Mary Magdalene to/as Mary of Brthany. This is just more of your allegations/assumptions. Mary Magdalene was known because seven devils had been cast out of her.(Luke 8:2-3 ; Mark 16:9). She was one of many women who with the Apostles followed the LORD and ministered to them. Luke 23:49,55; 24:1.


You should have even half the Faith of those grateful followers----then you wouldn't be erroneously criticizing Jesus.


Jesus was loyal to HIS Father(and of all of us)---not just to a Nation/culture/race. Apparently, JOB wasn't Jewish; because in (19:25-27), "For I know [that] my redeemer liveth, and [that] he shall stand at the latter [day] upon the earth: And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God:  Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; [though] my reins be consumed within me."  Job denies your mis-conception of the Resurrection.

Nor does Gen. 3:22 agree with your concept of what GOD had planned for mankind prior to Disobedience.  Had there been NO DISOBEDIENCE, Adam and Eve along with their offspring would have lived "eternally".  That is the reason they were barred from the "Tree of Life". Would they now----remain faithful??? Their extended life-time would record the answer. Just so----with you and me!!


Yes, ALL are subject to the first death. (Un less, Jesus comes prior to our death(those who are Redeemed))
Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 01, 2011 - 12:11AM #5
Ben Masada
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Jul 26, 2011 -- 11:11PM, sincerly wrote:


Jul 26, 2011 -- 3:11PM, Ben Masada wrote:


Jul 22, 2011 -- 12:16AM, sincerly wrote:

  Ben, at this time and event, John the Baptist had been beheaded for several years.  Jesus was in control of the situation, as the context showed. The Jewish leaders had recently tried again to stone HIM to death. But more importantly, a raising to life of one that already "stinkest" couldn't be construed as "the person wasn't really dead."


Jesus' point of waiting was to demonstrate HIS Resurrecting Ability and that promise to all Believers-- "I am the Resurrection and the eternal LIFE" that I Came to Die on the Cross to provide. And the record shows many of the mourners believed upon witnessing the Resurrection of Lazarus.


Ben, initially you claimed it was Mary Magdalene that Jesus married. Now you are switching to Mary of Bethany. BUT, HE was married to neither.  At the Cross, John was the ONE who was asked by Jesus to care for HIS Mother.  John's life was spared for the Writing of Revelations.(some 60+ years later.) Ruth and Naomi gives a different picture and another fact against any being a wife of Jesus.


Your fabricated senario just doesn't hold up under the facts of the scriptures. 




You are completely unaware of Roman History. During the Republic, it was a Roman policy to arrest only the heads of private groups so that the disciples would spread. And that no disciple of a crucified was allowed to be present at the Calvary. Only women if they were close relatives. Therefore, Mary the Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, his wife, his beloved disciple. Besides, when Jesus was arrested ALL his disciples left him and fled. Read Mark 14:50.


And with regards to Mary Magdalene and Mary of Betany, they were one and the same. Mary Magdalene because she had her business in Magdala. And at her home in Betany, she probably did not want to be recognized as the Magdalene, although that's why she become famous for.


And Jesus could not have said that he was the resurrection and eternal life because he was a loyal Jew. Jews do not believe in bodily resurrection. Read Job 10:21; and with regards to eternal life, this is an attribute which was not granted to man. Read Genesis 3:22. Eternal life

only God has it. The rest of us who have been born, are eventually to perish. 




Ben, where to start to show your erroneous concocted fabrication of a senario.  It wasn't Roman history, but prophetic fulfillment that had the Disciples "scattering" at the arrest.


 

Again, there is no scripture to connect Mary Magdalene to/as Mary of Brthany. This is just more of your allegations/assumptions. Mary Magdalene was known because seven devils had been cast out of her.(Luke 8:2-3 ; Mark 16:9). She was one of many women who with the Apostles followed the LORD and ministered to them. Luke 23:49,55; 24:1.


You should have even half the Faith of those grateful followers----then you wouldn't be erroneously criticizing Jesus.


Jesus was loyal to HIS Father(and of all of us)---not just to a Nation/culture/race. Apparently, JOB wasn't Jewish; because in (19:25-27), "For I know [that] my redeemer liveth, and [that] he shall stand at the latter [day] upon the earth: And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God:  Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; [though] my reins be consumed within me."  Job denies your mis-conception of the Resurrection.

Nor does Gen. 3:22 agree with your concept of what GOD had planned for mankind prior to Disobedience.  Had there been NO DISOBEDIENCE, Adam and Eve along with their offspring would have lived "eternally".  That is the reason they were barred from the "Tree of Life". Would they now----remain faithful??? Their extended life-time would record the answer. Just so----with you and me!!


Yes, ALL are subject to the first death. (Un less, Jesus comes prior to our death(those who are Redeemed))



If I am wrong in my researches about Jesus' marital life, prove to me with a quotation from the NT that Jesus was not married. BTW, I have requested this evidence more than several times. You said that the Bible says that Jesus was not married. Show me where and I'll become a SDA like you. But you only speak nonsense, and can prove nothing.

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