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Flag Mak_jo_si May 5, 2011 12:06 AM EDT
As I have always emphasized, the westernized Taoism is not REAL Taoism because of a few things. These are the main thing you would have to look at.

1) Western Taoist only look at Tao Te Ching all the time and all their translations are wrong because they interpret it as a "Book of Tao" instead of "Book of Tao Te (virtues)". Making is very abstract, poetic, confusing for the readers. This only provide people a new-age vibe and mindset, leading people to feel very "free to think about whatever you want". Then people think that's wisdom, which doesn't really means anything.

2) Taoism on earth originate in China, and so you must know the language to know what it's really about if you look at it by text. Tao Te Ching is in Chinese and so why look at a western scholar talking about it?  The westerners who look into the book don't really know what they are looking at because their reference are all from English resources mainly... leading to MORE misleading things, but the fact is, they have great marketing skills and so the bookstore is flooded with these misleadnig information, even teachers and prof refer to them and mislead more people.

3) Taoism is NOT only about Tao Te Ching, in fact, Tao Te Ching is just a "book of virtues" that most people learn back in the old days, like a "guide to living a life with virtues", putting a cultural standard to things for people, NOT even getting into the door of Taoism yet!

Don't get fooled by the wrong translations or misleading translators or authors in the west who just read a bunch of wrongly translated materials and interpret whatever themselves, you are just getting a pot of misleading stuff to mislead yourself and others more.  It's just even a disaster to see so much people getting so new age nowadays and putting together a bunch of misleading information for sales or public. If you can answer this -- "is their translation talking about TAO all the time?  or virtues?" and this "What do you know about virtues after reading THOSE westernized Tao TE Ching"? 

If you cannot answer these, too bad, you answered it yourself, they are frauds. Wrong is wrong, right is right, when they are so wrong, there aren't a single reason why we should be nice to cope with them at all. Just want to raise this pointer for those who are NOT YET flooded by these new agers....

NOTE: ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS..(after reading their western version of Tao Te Ching)

1. What do you know about VIRTUES after reaidng it?

2. Does the book now tell you about TAO or about Virtues?

3. What does the book tell you now in general, can you summarize it and explain it to yourself?  If so, please do and refer to question 1, 2.            
Flag LaoTzu July 11, 2011 4:05 PM EDT

Sir, 


 


I have read a few of your posts and I can't help but notice the biased sectarianism that is displayed by you. You claim that many people are practicing Taoism wrong and that we have to follow a particular path. This is dogma. Someone can learn to see energy, auras, ghosts, and other such things, but that does not make one a master. Ask yourself who it is that follows a sect? Who is it? Is it in the head? Is it in concepts and jargon? Who is the one that observes this? What perceives the feeling of being the observer? I find these inquiries to be more appropriate than constantly bashing other peoples practice. The Tao Te Ching is written from emptiness. The words point to the truth. The truth must be experienced, not just talked about. The truth does not belong only to a particular sect. Someone can be washing the dishes and see reality. There is nothing that is specifically needed to bring this about. Sure teachers are great to learn in depth meditation, but one can still see the falsity of the self and realize that they are not the body-mind. With all due respect, I would find it more useful to study with a teacher who experiences enlightenment and who is aware of even the experience of enlightenment, than one who spends time indulging in gossip about how other sects are wrong and that their sect is right. This is the manifestation of the ego. 


Thank you


 


May 5, 2011 -- 12:06AM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

As I have always emphasized, the westernized Taoism is not REAL Taoism because of a few things. These are the main thing you would have to look at.

1) Western Taoist only look at Tao Te Ching all the time and all their translations are wrong because they interpret it as a "Book of Tao" instead of "Book of Tao Te (virtues)". Making is very abstract, poetic, confusing for the readers. This only provide people a new-age vibe and mindset, leading people to feel very "free to think about whatever you want". Then people think that's wisdom, which doesn't really means anything.

2) Taoism on earth originate in China, and so you must know the language to know what it's really about if you look at it by text. Tao Te Ching is in Chinese and so why look at a western scholar talking about it?  The westerners who look into the book don't really know what they are looking at because their reference are all from English resources mainly... leading to MORE misleading things, but the fact is, they have great marketing skills and so the bookstore is flooded with these misleadnig information, even teachers and prof refer to them and mislead more people.

3) Taoism is NOT only about Tao Te Ching, in fact, Tao Te Ching is just a "book of virtues" that most people learn back in the old days, like a "guide to living a life with virtues", putting a cultural standard to things for people, NOT even getting into the door of Taoism yet!

Don't get fooled by the wrong translations or misleading translators or authors in the west who just read a bunch of wrongly translated materials and interpret whatever themselves, you are just getting a pot of misleading stuff to mislead yourself and others more.  It's just even a disaster to see so much people getting so new age nowadays and putting together a bunch of misleading information for sales or public. If you can answer this -- "is their translation talking about TAO all the time?  or virtues?" and this "What do you know about virtues after reading THOSE westernized Tao TE Ching"? 

If you cannot answer these, too bad, you answered it yourself, they are frauds. Wrong is wrong, right is right, when they are so wrong, there aren't a single reason why we should be nice to cope with them at all. Just want to raise this pointer for those who are NOT YET flooded by these new agers....

NOTE: ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS..(after reading their western version of Tao Te Ching)

1. What do you know about VIRTUES after reaidng it?

2. Does the book now tell you about TAO or about Virtues?

3. What does the book tell you now in general, can you summarize it and explain it to yourself?  If so, please do and refer to question 1, 2.            




Flag Freestyle May 2, 2014 11:23 AM EDT

I believe this to be Taoist fundamentalism, into which is not the way of Taoism.  Verse 81 says, "Good men do not argue.  Men who argue are not good."  Think about it.

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