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4 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2011 - 12:16AM #11
Neomonist
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Apr 23, 2011 -- 12:02AM, Namchuck wrote:


Your kidding yourself. Modern brain research and cognitive studies would likely put the odds about 95/5 in favor of extinction of consciousness when the brain dies. It'd give survival a 5% chance simply out of generosity, although there is little to no indication of it.





I'll grant you that individual consciousness dies but that does not mean that consciousness itself dies. Anyone who identifies themselves with individual consciousness has a rather purile image of reality.


Alan Watts - Cosmic Drama

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2011 - 1:02AM #12
Namchuck
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Apr 23, 2011 -- 12:16AM, Neomonist wrote:


Apr 23, 2011 -- 12:02AM, Namchuck wrote:


Your kidding yourself. Modern brain research and cognitive studies would likely put the odds about 95/5 in favor of extinction of consciousness when the brain dies. It'd give survival a 5% chance simply out of generosity, although there is little to no indication of it.





I'll grant you that individual consciousness dies but that does not mean that consciousness itself dies. Anyone who identifies themselves with individual consciousness has a rather purile image of reality.


Alan Watts - Cosmic Drama





There is very little evidence for the survival of consciousness in any form.



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4 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2011 - 1:06AM #13
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Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:02AM, Namchuck wrote:


There is very little evidence for the survival of consciousness in any form.







There is very little against it as well.


I refuse to close my mind to either possibility.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2011 - 1:10AM #14
Namchuck
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Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:06AM, Neomonist wrote:


Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:02AM, Namchuck wrote:


There is very little evidence for the survival of consciousness in any form.







There is very little against it as well.


I refuse to close my mind to either possibility.





Once again, in the absence of any compelling evidence for the survival of consciouness (in any form), the probabilities are not evenly poised.


While I'm open to such evidence, I simply won't indulge my fondness for the idea with wishful thinking. 

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2011 - 3:16AM #15
Neomonist
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It looks as if nobody finds this discussion interesting. Oh well.


 

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2011 - 7:25AM #16
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   I thought I would but that doesn't seem to be the case.  The energy only flows one way on this board.  Have you noticed?


  There is no discussion here,just chuckles, and he will come into his own awareness in his own time without any help from any woo woo artists such as the like of me.


 With no attachment of my own to any attack, that energy is returned to its point of origin to be experienced as intended.


    That gives a whole new understanding  of the old saying.  So shall ye sow. So shall ye reap.


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2011 - 8:04AM #17
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Apr 24, 2011 -- 7:25AM, BIRK wrote:


  There is no discussion here...


 




Why bother attempting to have a discussion when you have to wade through a mud puddle of sanctimonious nay-saying?


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2011 - 8:10AM #18
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Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:10AM, Namchuck wrote:


Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:06AM, Neomonist wrote:


Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:02AM, Namchuck wrote:


There is very little evidence for the survival of consciousness in any form.







There is very little against it as well.


I refuse to close my mind to either possibility.





Once again, in the absence of any compelling evidence for the survival of consciouness (in any form), the probabilities are not evenly poised.


While I'm open to such evidence, I simply won't indulge my fondness for the idea with wishful thinking. 




I suppose you don't call accounts of NDE evidence? Just yesterday, I think it was on NPR, there was a guy talking about accounts by young children. He considered this better evidence than that from older kids, teenagers and adults.


And there are accounts where absence of brain function was correlated with later descriptions of actual events, things said or done by doctors or nurses reported by the "dead" patient. 


sdp

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2011 - 8:32AM #19
teilhard
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IOW ... Case Closed ...


Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:10AM, Namchuck wrote:


Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:06AM, Neomonist wrote:


Apr 23, 2011 -- 1:02AM, Namchuck wrote:


There is very little evidence for the survival of consciousness in any form.







There is very little against it as well.


I refuse to close my mind to either possibility.





Once again, in the absence of any compelling evidence for the survival of consciouness (in any form), the probabilities are not evenly poised.


While I'm open to such evidence, I simply won't indulge my fondness for the idea with wishful thinking. 





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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2011 - 8:34AM #20
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Apr 24, 2011 -- 8:10AM, stardustpilgrim wrote:


I suppose you don't call accounts of NDE evidence?





Hi sdp


I'm sure they are valid experiences, I'm just unsure about how long the individual consciousness persists after death. I think the Buddha was right when he said all coumpounded things are subject to dissolution, but haven't settled whether it is suddenly or gradual.


 

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