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Switch to Forum Live View Philosophy: Virtue is good, but not to everybody and anybody
7 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 9:48AM #1
Mak_jo_si
Posts: 266
In Taoism, we talk about virtues and wisdom all the time. It is important and good to know and have virtues, but it doesn mean you are going to be the "super nice man" all the time. That's not right. Having virtues doesn't mean you have to be good to everybody and act good to anybody.  

Let me tell you a story..

A man emphasize on virtues and he was talking with some nice man, all people enjoyed talking with him and think he is very nice.  The man was well liked by others and people applause for his speech.  Later, this man went on a trip, he encountered a pirate and the pirate took a knife and point it at him and tell him to give all the money to him.  Now what happen next?

A) The man talk about virtues, forgive the man and tell the man about why not rob people and convince the man to put down the blade and turn good.  The pirate got pissed and he just killed the Mr.Nice with the rusted blade.. game over.

B) The man asked the pirate to forgive him and he hand out his wallet.. the pirate laughed so hard and walked away with lots of joy, then the he went off to find the next victim because it is so easy to rob stupid people like that!  It's just not even requiring any effort!

C) The man told the pirate to get off and he fight for his life, took out a gun in his conceal IWB holster and tell the pirate to go away, the pirate threat him and got shot in the head, double tap, bang bang, dead.  The world now got one less pirate.  Cleanse the street.

What is the best way to go?  I will choose C. That is virtue.  Virtue also have a section about "self defense" and if you cannot defense yourself, you lose your home, your life, your wife, your kids, your family and everything.  You are not having virtues for them then!  You got to need wisdom to survive and use virtues. 

Virtues is good, but not everyone deserve the kindness type, sometimes they just deserve a hard kick in the @ss, just for the sake of showing them you are not weak and it is not easy to just target on people like that with force.  When we Taoist face evils and devils, we got no mercy for them, they got to be down. That's Taoism.

 
For more readings:  makchingyuen.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/ki...
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7 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2011 - 1:02PM #2
Eisenhans
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Apr 17, 2011 -- 9:48AM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

In Taoism, we talk about virtues and wisdom all the time. It is important and good to know and have virtues, but it doesn mean you are going to be the "super nice man" all the time. That's not right. Having virtues doesn't mean you have to be good to everybody and act good to anybody.  

Let me tell you a story..

A man emphasize on virtues and he was talking with some nice man, all people enjoyed talking with him and think he is very nice.  The man was well liked by others and people applause for his speech.  Later, this man went on a trip, he encountered a pirate and the pirate took a knife and point it at him and tell him to give all the money to him.  Now what happen next?

A) The man talk about virtues, forgive the man and tell the man about why not rob people and convince the man to put down the blade and turn good.  The pirate got pissed and he just killed the Mr.Nice with the rusted blade.. game over.

B) The man asked the pirate to forgive him and he hand out his wallet.. the pirate laughed so hard and walked away with lots of joy, then the he went off to find the next victim because it is so easy to rob stupid people like that!  It's just not even requiring any effort!

C) The man told the pirate to get off and he fight for his life, took out a gun in his conceal IWB holster and tell the pirate to go away, the pirate threat him and got shot in the head, double tap, bang bang, dead.  The world now got one less pirate.  Cleanse the street.

What is the best way to go?  I will choose C. That is virtue.  Virtue also have a section about "self defense" and if you cannot defense yourself, you lose your home, your life, your wife, your kids, your family and everything.  You are not having virtues for them then!  You got to need wisdom to survive and use virtues. 

Virtues is good, but not everyone deserve the kindness type, sometimes they just deserve a hard kick in the @ss, just for the sake of showing them you are not weak and it is not easy to just target on people like that with force.  When we Taoist face evils and devils, we got no mercy for them, they got to be down. That's Taoism.

 
For more readings:  makchingyuen.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/ki...



YES!!!


That's the way!


I get the impression that a lot of Western new-age interpretations of Taoism seek lots of peace 'n' love.  Well, sometimes it's guts 'n' war.  Can't be peace and love all the time!


Some battles are quick and don't last a day, while others a hell from the very first shot to the last. 


Eisenhans

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2011 - 1:14PM #3
Mak_jo_si
Posts: 266

Peace and love are achieved by having power and force. In the Tao Te Ching I translated, there is a chapter that talks about weapons, virtues with weapons.


The concept is, to have virtues, you must know how to use weapons. Weapons are not bad and evil, it is what protect you when you need them, when you are in bad times, being threaten, you need weapon to protect you and your family or love ones. Without weapon, you will be dead, your family will be gone and your home will be gone, everything is gone.  What happen is you made the bad guy stronger and more confident about his own action, so he go harm more people like you afterward.  You are not only harming yourself, your relatives, your love one, but also the world by creating a beast.


To know how to be good in virtue with weapons, you need to know the amount of force you need to be able to protect yourself and others.  If the bad guy have a knife, you need a knife or stronger.  If they have a gun, you need a gun as well.  If you use a bare fist and expect to win, you are day dreaming and RISKING yourself and other's life.  That is stupid, not skillful or confident. 


With effective force, you and suppress threats and avoid danger, then you will have love and peace.  Without force, your peave and love will be gone already. Protect your own love and achieve peace with virtues and weapons.  Know the virtues, master the weapons and peace will be with you.

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