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7 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2011 - 11:40AM #11
Taoman
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Living in the now is a nice philosophy and is a bit easier to fathom than the other language. Too bad he couldn't have just said it and have been done with it.   


Living in the now is fine but actual face time with gurus is harmful... when someone enters the "living in the now" compound they can kiss the now goodbye forever.  I guarantee you that those people on the houseboat never came close to the now... they were way too fascinated by JK's personality and JK wasn't about to set them free.

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2011 - 11:45AM #12
jbkranger
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JK says the same thing on the CD and in many of his writings: Never follow a guru

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2011 - 1:03PM #13
Mak_jo_si
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By the way, Guru was never a Taoist terminology as well. haha~

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2011 - 10:12AM #14
jbkranger
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I am reading, "The Tao of Zen" written by Ray Grigg in 1994. The theisis is that Zen is really Taoism.  He seems to think that Oneness is part of Taoism, and has a whole chapter on the subject.


From Lao Tzu (Ch 7) "The sage is one with all"


"The Goal of Taoism... is to return to oneness..." p 226


"The center of Taoism...seems to be oneness." p 227

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2011 - 10:26AM #15
Mak_jo_si
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Zen is TAOISM?!  You got cheated and scammed!  The history.. look at how it is started first, what the heck does Zen have to do with TAOISM?!  sigh...

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2011 - 10:29AM #16
jbkranger
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That is what the author, Ray Griggs, is saying. I apparently did not make myself clear. Please accept my apologies.


Joey

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2011 - 10:43AM #17
Mak_jo_si
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Apr 27, 2011 -- 10:29AM, jbkranger wrote:

That is what the author, Ray Griggs, is saying. I apparently did not make myself clear. Please accept my apologies.


Joey


I know.. but I was really shocked about that author.. (only) it's not your problem.. but these "authors" really mislead the people.. Maybe that's the definition of new age, mix a pot of things yourself and do your own dressing, now publish it asap, then tell the world your new food...

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2011 - 10:45AM #18
jbkranger
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No you are still misunderstanding me. Griggs agrees with you

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2011 - 10:58AM #19
Mak_jo_si
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Apr 27, 2011 -- 10:45AM, jbkranger wrote:

No you are still misunderstanding me. Griggs agrees with you


I don't see it in him though

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2011 - 2:49AM #20
Eisenhans
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Apr 25, 2011 -- 11:45PM, Taoman wrote:

Talk about castles on the sand... even if such a crazy ideal did exist, there's no gameplan that actually works for obtaining it.  When the student meditates for 40 years and they get nowhere they are simply told that they have too much ego and are made to feel like a turd compared to the enlightened guru who has managed to suck the life out of his or her students... this lifeless state is then labelled peace and everyone calls it a day.  Then later it comes out how evil the teacher was... same story over and over and over.  What these masters have really perfected is the art of hypnotism.



Well said, man!  A great part of intelligence is being able to recognize patterns.  You've limned an important one!


Eisenhans

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