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7 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2011 - 9:51AM #11
Mak Tin Si
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Apr 8, 2011 -- 9:31AM, ToltecLogic wrote:

Master Mak, So good of you to respond. Two


of my good friends who have written and


taught in unconvential ways use to sign


there correspondence in different ways.


Whereas Sun Bear (pretty much a product


of the New Age) might simply say in his


salutations, 'Walk In Balance', Dan Millman


always signed his communications


with the words 'In Spirit". I regret that


our cultural differences threaten to prevent


any further communications, its just that I


tend not to give into this who social net


work of personal personifications but rather


harken back to an earlier more traditional


form of english usage.


thanks,


tl


To ToltecLogic,


When two of us are not on the same page or don't speak the same language, I afraid we have to dorp this conversation because I just cannot communicate with you. So, good luck with your way then. Enjoy!


 


Mak Ching Yuen

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2011 - 10:24AM #12
RevDorris
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dào
direction / way / method / road / path / principle / truth / reason / skill / method / Tao (of Taoism) / a measure word / to say / to speak / to talk
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Rev Dorris
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7 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2011 - 5:28PM #13
RevDorris
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"Tao is the enigma of all creation.  It is a treasure for the good man, a shelter for the bad.  Words of worth can create a city.........  Hence Tao is valued by the world."


 


But beware the grasshopper who pretents to be a lion.


 


"The sage acts but does not demand subservience; Is deserving of merit yet claims no credit.  He has no desire to show his worth."

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2011 - 6:57PM #14
RevDorris
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A Master is available to all people and doesn't reject anyone.  He is ready to use all situations and doesn't waste anything.  This is called embodying the light (or become One with the TAO).


What is a good man but a bad man's teacher?  What is a bad man but a good man's job?  If you don't understand this, you will get lost, however intelligent you are.  It is the great secret.


Let your heart be at peace.  Each separate being in the universe returns to the source.  Returning to the source (The One) is serenity.


When you realize where you come from, you naturally become tolerant. disinterested, amused, kindhearted as a grandmother, dignified as a king.  Immersed in the Tao, you can deal with whatever life brings you,  ........


You are nowhere near to being a Master.  But walk your path in loneliness, judgmentalism, and despair till you are ready to truly learn or not learn if that is your wish.  The harmony of the way (The Tao) is for everyone to find. 

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2011 - 8:38PM #15
RevDorris
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My path is the Way (The Tao).  My God is the One, the One that is beyond name or our ability to fully comprehend.  The Muslim use the name "Allah" meaning the name that includes all names.  This One instructed Moses by saying 'Just tell them I am'.  In many places the Bible states our God is One.


The Way is spoken of in the Torah, the Bible, the Rig Veda, The Upanishads, the Koran and in many other places.


Lao-Tzu like many other Old Masters wrote and spoke in words that were easy to understand.  Most all of their teachings were the same but differed only in the words that were used to make them understandable to the people in their region of the world.


As generations have come and gone, new interpretations of all the Old Masters have changed to meet the needs of the time and the people receiving the message.  An old Chinese Master once said that most people play at their religion or just accept the philosophy of their parents.  They do not make it their own by internalizing the teachings and then share their understanding in their own words. 


It is hard to be more clear or simple in our words than with the ones handed down to us in the many interpretations of the writings of Lao-Tzu.  Universal teachings can be shared in many different ways but the ultimate foundation is the Way.

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2011 - 11:42PM #16
Jupiter6208
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Love & Peace.

"A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person."  Dave Berry
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7 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2011 - 7:45AM #17
Jupiter6208
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ONE CANNOT BEGIN TO LEARN THAT WHICH ONE THINKS ONE ALREADY KNOWS. Epictetus

"A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person."  Dave Berry
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7 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2011 - 9:49AM #18
ToltecLogic
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Kung Fu Hustle,


Saving face does not appear to be the guiding


principle of this Neo-psudo Taoism spoken here.


Red herrings and stawman arguements are


clearly par for the course. And please forgive


me in advance for analogous references you are


unlikely to get, though we could tone down the


rhetoric and use simple language to bridge this


gap in communication clearly we are well past


that point of compromise. Crude and offensive


laungage is not necessarily the mark of a true


master, but rather of one who has yet to earn


his Way.


Is it not said, "There are two kinds of base fool -


those who destroy themselves and those who


abandon themselves. If people regulate them-


selves in a good way, anyone can change - even


the most ignorant people can gradually refine


themselves and make progress. Only those who


destroy themselves refuse this and do not believe


in it, while those who abandon themselves reject


it and do not do it. Even if sages lived among


people like this, it would be impossible to reform


them."


"But not all those who abandon and destroy them-


selves are ignorant fools - sometimes they are strong


and violent men with ability beyond that of others.


Still sages call those who cut themselves off from


goodness base fools."


"It may be asked why base fools can change their


faces it they cannot change their hearts. The answer


is that even though their hearts reject goodness,


insofar as they fear authority and so minimize their


wrong-doing, they are the same as others. And it is


just because they assimilate to others that we know


their faults are not inherent in their nature."


Cheng Yi, eleventh-century Song-dynasty


 


Many truism come to mind here, Pride doth cometh


before a fall perhaps, but be that as it may.


It does remain my hope that one day we may all,


Walk With Balance In Spirit,


tl


 



Thunder is success in succession


only the truly sincere remain


mindful of the greater whole


Living being is the director of


implements, the Caldron that


gives rise to Thunder in the


body politic upwardly mobile


progressively wary, cultivating


self-mastery ~ no sudden startling


out burst disturbs our


confident


 


composure...




 


Restoration of the celestial
within the temporal is the return
of basic nature to natural innocence
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7 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2011 - 10:50AM #19
Mak Tin Si
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Apr 9, 2011 -- 9:49AM, ToltecLogic wrote:


Kung Fu Hustle,


Saving face does not appear to be the guiding


principle of this Neo-psudo Taoism spoken here.


Red herrings and stawman arguements are


clearly par for the course. And please forgive


me in advance for analogous references you are


unlikely to get, though we could tone down the


rhetoric and use simple language to bridge this


gap in communication clearly we are well past


that point of compromise. Crude and offensive


laungage is not necessarily the mark of a true


master, but rather of one who has yet to earn


his Way.


Is it not said, "There are two kinds of base fool -


those who destroy themselves and those who


abandon themselves. If people regulate them-


selves in a good way, anyone can change - even


the most ignorant people can gradually refine


themselves and make progress. Only those who


destroy themselves refuse this and do not believe


in it, while those who abandon themselves reject


it and do not do it. Even if sages lived among


people like this, it would be impossible to reform


them."


"But not all those who abandon and destroy them-


selves are ignorant fools - sometimes they are strong


and violent men with ability beyond that of others.


Still sages call those who cut themselves off from


goodness base fools."


"It may be asked why base fools can change their


faces it they cannot change their hearts. The answer


is that even though their hearts reject goodness,


insofar as they fear authority and so minimize their


wrong-doing, they are the same as others. And it is


just because they assimilate to others that we know


their faults are not inherent in their nature."


Cheng Yi, eleventh-century Song-dynasty


 


Many truism come to mind here, Pride doth cometh


before a fall perhaps, but be that as it may.


It does remain my hope that one day we may all,


Walk With Balance In Spirit,


tl


 



Thunder is success in succession


only the truly sincere remain


mindful of the greater whole


Living being is the director of


implements, the Caldron that


gives rise to Thunder in the


body politic upwardly mobile


progressively wary, cultivating


self-mastery ~ no sudden startling


out burst disturbs our


confident


 


composure...




 





Once again, your English is just hard to communicate with and I just do not think I can communicate with you further more.  If you want me to respond, please type in proper modern TODAY English. Thank You,  I am a man born to today's world, not in OLD ancient days.


Strong language or not is just not even taken into consideration here, I think if I give that guy a cleaner response, he would not have get it. Virtues are only used for those who have virtues and know virtues. Facing against people who don't even have virtues, communicating by using virtues will not get the message passed on and as you can see the two Jesus lover don't even know what they are talking about already. If I gave them virtues, you will see them going even more wild. 


 Think before you comment, I have already made myself clear, I cannot communicate with someone who is in "OLD" ancient time.   Anyway, have fun but I just cannot get what you are trying to say.


 


Mak Ching Yuen

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2011 - 10:57AM #20
Mak Tin Si
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Mar 1, 2011 -- 1:27PM, Mak Tin Si wrote:


There are a lot of BAD Taoism paths and lineages nowadays. They are BAD to the guts because the fact that they do sorcery/black magic/evil magic.  Here I have placed a few for you to see how the common and famous sects are crooked and evil to the guts.  There Taoism magic are all exposed to the public already because they have published tons of books for the public to buy and these are just so common and well known.

Not to scare you but these lineages which do evil magic also got so famous in Hong Kong and China to the point that these evil magic are on the newspaper and magazines all the time.  People there praise these evil magic to say they are great stuff!   I just can't believe how crooked people can go!

www.chiinnature.com/sorcerymain.html


 


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Obviously, people who respond to the thread and start to disagree with me don't read properly. The above already show you that I have stated clearly in my post (initially) that what we are talking about are lineages and paths that are bad because they do evil magic.  Proof are already in the website and of course these people who respond do not even look at what's on the website before they talk.


Can't believe how people act nowdays without using actual effort or actions to read carefully before making a reply. Obviously they are not even taking responsbility when they talk, maybe that's the way how people are on the internet nowadays because everybody is hidden and protected from their true identity. A person may just be JupiterMarSuper92 or Jkak111, what is that?  Yeah, a nickname, so they don't even have to care what happen even they say something meaningless. 


 

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