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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 4:06PM #11
Bezant
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Jan 27, 2011 -- 11:51AM, BDboy wrote:


It has science, philosophy, laws [ Like the Torah], prophecies, poetry etc...




Well, since you bring up science:


www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SKM/contra...


If the Quran's "science" contradicts modern science, does that harm Quranic integrity?

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 6:51PM #12
visio
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Jan 20, 2011 -- 3:18PM, Bezant wrote:


Assuming the literal Word of God can do so, if Quran makes a historical inaccuracy, does that harm its integrity?




We believe the history revealed by Almighty One God than those that were written by men.  If there is to be a historical inaccuracy that can only come from man whose self interest are so much diversified.   Afterall who wrote the history of man?   Almighty One God is not a racialist nor skin conscious.  And Muhammadsaw was not the author or the writer of the Al-Quran.  He was made to recite it by one mighty in power. The question of integrity doesn't arise for believers in the Al-Quran.  As more are unveiled in the Al-Quran, the stronger is a Muslim's faith in it.  In fact, I haven't heard any other scripture that throws an open challenge for its readers to prove its inaccuracies.   Did the Al-Quran say that the Arabs were not pagan?, or, doesn't the Al-Quran say among the learned of the yehudi people they hid some of the truth from previous revelations?  Of course you don't find a statement in the Al-Quran that the Chinese didn't build the Great Wall or a recipe how to construct a toilet.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 7:16PM #13
rocketjsquirell
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This is probably a dumb question, but I will ask anyway.


Is it required for a Muslim to believe that the Koran is perfect and without flaws?


Is it required for a Muslim to believe that the Koran is directly dictated by G-d and perfectly transcribed by man?


Personally, I find such a requirement (if there is such a requirement) to be an absurdity, but I am not Muslim. I suppose if I were a Muslim and if such a belief is a requirement it would seem perfectly appropriate. We are all products of our culture.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 9:02PM #14
BDboy
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Jan 31, 2011 -- 4:06PM, Bezant wrote:


Jan 27, 2011 -- 11:51AM, BDboy wrote:


It has science, philosophy, laws [ Like the Torah], prophecies, poetry etc...




Well, since you bring up science:


www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SKM/contra...


If the Quran's "science" contradicts modern science, does that harm Quranic integrity?




>>>>>>>> Actually Qur'an does NOT contradicts with modern "Proven" science. The site you quoted has been known for propaganda against Islam. We have challenged some of those authors [ Former Muslims and non-practicing Muslims] but they did not respond. I can give you some more websites with falsehood about Islam. However this web site gave answers to most frequently asked questions about the Qur'an.


If there are specific verses of the Qur'an  that still troubles you, please mention it. I am going to try to explain it to you.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 9:16PM #15
BDboy
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Jan 31, 2011 -- 7:16PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


This is probably a dumb question, but I will ask anyway.


Is it required for a Muslim to believe that the Koran is perfect and without flaws?


Is it required for a Muslim to believe that the Koran is directly dictated by G-d and perfectly transcribed by man?


Personally, I find such a requirement (if there is such a requirement) to be an absurdity, but I am not Muslim. I suppose if I were a Muslim and if such a belief is a requirement it would seem perfectly appropriate. We are all products of our culture.




>>>>>>> Nope as long your intention is to learn about something you do not know, it is OK to ask.


Yes Qur'an directly came from God (Allah in Arabic). Same way God sent revelations to Moses, David and Jesus (Peace be unto all of them) before Qur'an was revealed. Let me share a little of what it says....


104                           And We called out to him: "O Abraham!

105

You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers - see V.2:112).

106

Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial

107

And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. ßÈÔ - a ram);

108

And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among generations (to come) in later times.

109

Salamun (peace) be upon Ibrahim (Abraham)!"

110

Thus indeed do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers - see V.2:112).

111

Verily, he was one of Our believing slaves.

112

And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaque (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.

113

We blessed him and Ishaque (Isaac), and of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.

114

And, indeed We gave Our Grace to Musa (Moses) and Harun (Aaron).

115

And We saved them and their people from the great distress;

116

And helped them, so that they became the victors;

117

And We gave them the clear Scripture;

118

And guided them to the Right Path;

119

And We left for them (a goodly remembrance) among generations (to come) in later times;

120

Salamun (peace) be upon Musa (Moses) and Harun (Aaron)!"


[ Source: Al Qur'an 37: 104-120]


 



As far as I understand this is authentic history revealed by our Creator. So I have no problem in having faith in error free Qur'an.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 11:18PM #16
rocketjsquirell
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BD


Thanks.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 11, 2011 - 3:03PM #17
turner_chris1
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science -


 


lets take earthquakes


"Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth.4  They hinder the shaking of the earth.  God has said in the Quran:


 And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you...  (Quran, 16:15)"


 


But if you look at reality (science that is) then where so alot of earthquakes actually occur - in Afganistan and the Himalayas (both of which have the odd mountain, and in the Rocky Mountains in the US and Andes in Soth America, Japan , New Zealand....


 


 


 


upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d...

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 11, 2011 - 4:16PM #18
Al-Fatihah
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Response: Mountains prevent the earth from shaking. Meaning that the earth's surface would be shaking if there were no mountains. This however, does not mean that mountains prevent the natural phenomenon of earthquakes. Thus the qur'an is correct and the fact that this was mentioned in the qur'an 1400 plus years ago makes it miraculous.

Feb 11, 2011 -- 3:03PM, turner_chris1 wrote:

science -


 


lets take earthquakes


"Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth.4  They hinder the shaking of the earth.  God has said in the Quran:


 And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you...  (Quran, 16:15)"


 


But if you look at reality (science that is) then where so alot of earthquakes actually occur - in Afganistan and the Himalayas (both of which have the odd mountain, and in the Rocky Mountains in the US and Andes in Soth America, Japan , New Zealand....


 


 


 


upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d...




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4 years ago  ::  Feb 13, 2011 - 8:08AM #19
BDboy
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Feb 11, 2011 -- 3:03PM, turner_chris1 wrote:


science -


 


lets take earthquakes


"Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth.4  They hinder the shaking of the earth.  God has said in the Quran:


 And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you...  (Quran, 16:15)"


 


But if you look at reality (science that is) then where so alot of earthquakes actually occur - in Afganistan and the Himalayas (both of which have the odd mountain, and in the Rocky Mountains in the US and Andes in Soth America, Japan , New Zealand....


 


 upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d...




 


>>>>>>>>>


Since you are talking about science, let me share why earth quake happens


How Do Earthquakes Happen: The Science Behind

Unlike many mysteries that the world holds within, there are no ambiguities that brim exactly what causes earthquakes. The reason being a simple fact that as per what scientists have revealed, there are two understandings behind the occurrence of earthquakes - eruption of the volcanoes and disturbance in the tectonic plates of the earth. When the molten magma under the earth's crust releases its pressure, it searches for an opening, thereby, exerting enormous pressure on the crust, thus, erupting a volcano. This, in turn, exerts pressure on the tectonic plates too. As is universally known, there are four main layers of the earth that comprise of the crust, the mantle, the outer core, and the inner core. The crust and the mantle form a strong layer of the earth called the lithosphere, which further breaks down into plates known as the tectonic plates. Just so you know, the plates which underline the oceans are called oceanic plates, while the ones that underline the continents are known as continental plates.


For rest of the article, you need to click here.


 


As far as Quranic explanation is concern, you may click read to read about it.


Hope it helps....

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 13, 2011 - 8:55AM #20
turner_chris1
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So if we didnt have mountains then there would be much worse earthquakes - is that your argument?


 


They dont do that good a job (mountains that is) at stopping earthquakes do they?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_4,_1998_A...


personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2011/01...


 


 


 

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