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Is Christian Yoga really Yoga?
1 year ago  ::  Dec 13, 2010 - 11:17AM #1
gangajal
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Is Christian Yoga really Yoga? There is an excellent article by Rajiv Malhotra about this.


www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/hindu-view-of-christian-yoga_b_778501.html


What do you all think?

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 14, 2010 - 12:49PM #2
DotNotInOz
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I don't really know what constitutes Christian Yoga nor do I feel that the article is clear on that.


If a Christian is simply doing hatha yoga postures for exercise, then I don't see any perversion of Hindu yoga although I think it likely that the Christian would not get the mental and spiritual benefits that a Hindu would since the latter understands how all aspects of yoga work together.


A good many people I've known were only interested in hatha yoga and not only were unaware that there was anything beyond that but would have been quite uninterested in any of the spiritual aspects of yoga.


I don't see any problem with that approach myself. However, I'm not Hindu and thus neither understand nor share any beliefs they may have that the spiritual and physical aspects of yoga cannot and should not be separated. If that is so, then it would obviously be inappropriate for any non-Hindu to attempt to do yoga in any form.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 16, 2010 - 9:10AM #3
Jm8
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Actually, I'd expect a better elaboration from Rajiv. As the main problem I see comparing two incomparable systems - advaita-based one and theistic one. He should have compared what is comparable. For the Christianity it is naturally the bhakti yoga.

Hope this helps. Hare Krsna
Your servant, bh. Jan

www.vrindavan-dham.com
www.veda.harekrsna.cz

dvaitaM bandhAya mokSAt prAk prApte bodhe manISayA
bhaktyarthaM kalpitam dvaitaM advaitAd api sundaram

"Duality is bondage before moksa and wisdom after realization. The duality accepted for the purpose of bhakti is sweeter than even non-duality." (from mangalacarana to Advaitasiddhi sara sangraha by Madhusudana Sarasvati, former advaitin)
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 18, 2010 - 3:59PM #4
DotNotInOz
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Dec 16, 2010 -- 9:10AM, Jm8 wrote:

Actually, I'd expect a better elaboration from Rajiv. As the main problem I see comparing two incomparable systems - advaita-based one and theistic one. He should have compared what is comparable. For the Christianity it is naturally the bhakti yoga.




Of course, Jm8! Thank you for mentioning bhakti yoga. It's been too many years since I studied about the various forms of yoga.


I had a vague feeling that there was a form that would be what Christian yoga seems to include but could not think of its name.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 22, 2010 - 11:24AM #5
Chicagorunner
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Interesting thread--I'm not even sure what type of yoga I take. Will have to research this now.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 24, 2010 - 3:20PM #6
Bhima
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Having greatly admired the teachings of many adept seers, and having practiced all aspects of yoga most of my life; I couldn’t disagree more, with either Mr. Malhotra or Dr. Mohler. They seem like two peas in a pod; both intent on proving themselves right and any other view wrong. Their views are of the religion of separateness; even worse eternal conflict. They seem to suggest; not only are we separate, but others are forever wrong, while they are forever right. Such is the nature of sectarian belief.


Can’t we see the irony and indeed hypocrisy, of a monotheistic view which promotes itself as the only way? Both these proclaimed authorities hold views antithetical to the supreme essence of yoga, the oneness of all things. They embrace an eternal dualistic philosophy which reaches as far as time & space, but never beyond. They reach to the knot of the issue but never to the solution.


I hardly wish to argue Mr. Malhotra’s points, for it seems, as I have suggested that argument is the very basis of his belief. He like Dr. Mohler seems to assume the voice of authority; whereas I see none of it expressed in their views. If one wishes to argue wisdom philosophy from a sectarian religious view point it cannot be done. Such views only seek to perpetuate argument and separateness; which is a view totally contrary to the very essence of yoga.  


 Some believe that the very ideal of union, which yoga implies, assumes in reality, a duality, such as matter & space; or sacred & profane; whereas in fact the supreme yogas accept no eternal reality in separateness. Yoga therefore ultimately in essence refers to the end of; or rather, the absence of separateness. 


This too is the very heart of Christ’s Yoga, as he was reported to say in John 10:30 “I and my father are one”; which from a dualistic, or religionist view cannot be fully understood. As is true of John 1:1; which says “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God”. 


From my perspective Jesus Christ was indeed a yogi; which is an adept seer, or an awakened one, but he was not a religionist like Malhotra & Mohler. Yogis are not religionists, because they look to see beyond the appearances of separateness.


 

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 26, 2010 - 5:25AM #7
Jm8
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Bhima,

> Can’t we see the irony and indeed hypocrisy, of a monotheistic view which promotes itself as the only way?

So now you're doing the same for advaita, assuming the voice of authority. You quote one text from John, conveniently overlooking others showing difference, like "the word which you have heard is not mine; but the Father's who sent me" (John 14.24) or "the Father is greater than I" (John 14.28).

"word was with God, and the word was God" also postulates two entities: God and word-God.

How to understand them from monistic view? What is the way out?

Gaudiya Vaisnava theology of acintya bhedabheda tattva (acintya = materially incomprehensible, tattva = doctrine, bheda = difference, abheda = sameness) harmonizes monism and theism.

> From my perspective Jesus Christ was indeed a yogi; which is an adept seer, or an awakened one, but he

This is the Gnostic Jesus.


Hope this helps. Hare Krsna
Your servant, bh. Jan

www.vrindavan-dham.com
www.veda.harekrsna.cz

dvaitaM bandhAya mokSAt prAk prApte bodhe manISayA
bhaktyarthaM kalpitam dvaitaM advaitAd api sundaram

"Duality is bondage before moksa and wisdom after realization. The duality accepted for the purpose of bhakti is sweeter than even non-duality." (from mangalacarana to Advaitasiddhi sara sangraha by Madhusudana Sarasvati, former advaitin)
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 30, 2010 - 11:49AM #8
Laxmi
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There are Christians doing Hatha Yoga exercises but there is no such thing as Christian Yoga, in my view. It seems ludicrous that the Pope and many protestant clergymen are worried about Christians doing Yoga. I don't see any problem except for the inherent intolerance of so-called monotheistic religions.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 07, 2011 - 1:01PM #9
BDboy
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Dec 30, 2010 -- 11:49AM, Laxmi wrote:


There are Christians doing Hatha Yoga exercises but there is no such thing as Christian Yoga, in my view. It seems ludicrous that the Pope and many protestant clergymen are worried about Christians doing Yoga. I don't see any problem except for the inherent intolerance of so-called monotheistic religions.




>>>>>>>> I think fear of unknown is also a reason. Average western person do not know a whole lot about Hinduism. Pope and protestant clergymen are known for commenting on subject they do not understand. If you ask me, just don't pay any attention.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 08, 2011 - 10:48AM #10
lapatosu
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Christian yoga.  Asananas accompanied by Christain themed music.


An individual of whatever religious persuasion brings who they are to the practice, taking from the practice whatever they need.

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