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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 10:21AM #751
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Feb 27, 2012 -- 10:03PM, Miraj wrote:

"Islamism" is a term intended to be an insult to Muslims.  We don't have to accept it, we don't have to use it.  I educate people about this each time it's used.  If they don't like it, tough.


Feb 28, 2012 -- 9:58AM, IDBC wrote:

Islamism is a term that is intended to describe political Islam.



Feb 28, 2012 -- 2:52PM, Ibn wrote:

As has been said many times, there is only one Islam. There is no such thing or religion called "political Islam" or "religious Islam" or "secular Islam" or Arabian Islam" or "Christian Islam" or Atheist Islam" or even "Neutral Islam".



Feb 28, 2012 -- 9:58AM, IDBC wrote:

It can and is used in a perjoritive and insulting way to insult Muslims or it can be used to describe political Islam.  It is a neutral term.


Feb 28, 2012 -- 2:52PM, Ibn wrote:

It is a term used by people who are ignorant of Islam.



Feb 28, 2012 -- 4:08PM, browbeaten wrote:


At best, it is a term used to describe Muslim who are ignorant of Islam.  Otherwise, it is descibing fanatical Muslims.




I knew it was a term used by people who are ignorant of Islam. Your statement has just proven my point to be spot on.



"At best, it is a term used to describe Muslim who are ignorant of Islam.  Otherwise, it is descib ing fanatical Muslims."


That  is not "my" statement   That is Browbeaten's statement. 


My statement is that Islamism is the political branch of the Islamic tree.  My statement is that some of the "fruit" is radical, and some of the "fruit" is moderate, and some of the "fruit" is liberal.    But is is all "fruit" of the same tree.  



Feb 28, 2012 -- 9:58AM, IDBC wrote:

You and other Muslims do not have to accept, but other Muslims do accept it.


Feb 28, 2012 -- 2:52PM, Ibn wrote:

They don't accept it but use it in ignorance.



Feb 28, 2012 -- 4:08PM, browbeaten wrote:


I've come to realize that on this board we have several Muslims who purport to speak for all Muslims in regards to Islam.  I find it rather peculiar how SO MANY more Muslims disagree with your "version" of Islam. 



I've come to realize that on this board we have several Muslims, like yourself  and others who purport to speak for ALL Muslims with regards to Islam.   I find it rather pecular how you and others on this board claim to speak for ALL Muslims and try to "educate" us on what is "true" Islam when there are so many verisions of Islam and not ALL Muslims agree on what is "true" Islam.  


I have come to realize that on this board we have several Muslims, like yourself who purport that any Muslim who does use the word Islamism is "ignorant"  of "true" Islam.


 

Feb 28, 2012 -- 4:08PM, browbeaten wrote:


 I've come to realize that in the world we have too many non-Muslims who purport to speak for Islam.  I find it rather peculiar how SO MANY non-Muslims claim to be experts in Islam and also know how many Muslims disagree with me but have no clue  as to how many agree with me.





I've come to realize that in the world we have too many Monotheists  who purport to speak for Allah. 



 



 

Feb 28, 2012 -- 4:08PM, browbeaten wrote:


I find it rather peculiar how SO MANY non-Muslims claim to be experts in Islam and also know how many Muslims disagree with me but have no clue  as to how many agree with me.[/quote]


I do know that there are MANY Muslims who disagree with you, but I don't know wether or not they are  "ignorant" of "true" Islam. 




 

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 2:15PM #752
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IDBC, you are very creative with formatting.  ???

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2012 - 2:32PM #753
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Mar 1, 2012 -- 2:15PM, Miraj wrote:


IDBC, you are very creative with formatting.  ???



That is the direct result of trying too hard in Islamic creation from Islam to Islamism and trying to justify it at the same time.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 1:31PM #754
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Howdy Miraj


 


Mar 1, 2012 -- 2:15PM, Miraj wrote:


IDBC, you are very creative with formatting.  ???




I am not sure what you mean?  


Are you making a statement or asking a question?  


If you are making a statment that I am good a "formatting" is that a compliement?  



 

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 4:36PM #755
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Your posts look like no one else's, hon.  They are art pieces, colorful, modern and unique, but sometimes very hard to follow.  If I can correct the formating, I do, but the last one was a doozy and I have no clue how it got that way lol.


They make you look, that's for sure :-)


Mar 2, 2012 -- 1:31PM, IDBC wrote:


Howdy Miraj


Mar 1, 2012 -- 2:15PM, Miraj wrote:


IDBC, you are very creative with formatting.  ???




I am not sure what you mean?  


Are you making a statement or asking a question?  


If you are making a statment that I am good a "formatting" is that a compliement?  




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2 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2012 - 7:06PM #756
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Howdy Miraj


Mar 2, 2012 -- 4:36PM, Miraj wrote:


Your posts look like no one else's, hon.  They are art pieces, colorful, modern and unique, but sometimes very hard to follow.  If I can correct the formating, I do, but the last one was a doozy and I have no clue how it got that way lol.


They make you look, that's for sure :-)



I tried to be as clear as I could as why I make my claims.   I gave reasons to support my claims. 


The only responses I got was "we don't have to believe it if we don't want too."   


The response that I got for the fact that other Muslim's in the Middle East use the term Islamist is that they are ignorant about Islam.     


It is my understanding that Muslims like to use analogies.    I gave an analogical explanation for Islamist-political idealogy.   


Now if they make you think I consider that to be a good thing.   


 


I am not sure what you mean?  


Are you making a statement or asking a question?  


If you are making a statment that I am good a "formatting" is that a compliement?  








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