No problem, it does bring up the point of how a "christian goverment" would handle sin?
How much of what could be called sin towards religion be treated as criminal offenses? Would blasphemy once again become criminal? How about Heresy? Impiety? Profanity? Apostacy? Would freedom of speech have to be restricted to protect the feelings of the ruling elite?
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." ... Thomas Jefferson: Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-1783
"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am a friend of its happiness: When these things can be said, then may the country boast its constitution and its government." -- Thomas Paine: The Rights Of Man (1791)
In February 1863, while the American Civil War was being fought, a coalition of eleven Protestant denominations from seven northern states gathered to discuss the state of the nation. Seeing the Civil War as God's punishment for the omission of God from the Constitution, they discussed a proposed amendment to alter the wording of the Preamble to acknowledge God. The idea that civil governments derive their legitimacy from God, and Jesus in particular, was alleged to be based on Biblical passages such as Psalms 2 and Romans 13. The original draft of the amendment, by Pennsylvania attorney John Alexander, read:
" Seeing the Civil War as God's punishment for the omission of God from the Constitution"
OIC. So these fine Northern clergy didn't have any issue with slavery. Interesting (the real cause had more to do with tariffs, I fear - though many a valiant Yankee marched 'to free the slaves' and many a brave Rebel was moved simply to defend his land...)
" Seeing the Civil War as God's punishment for the omission of God from the Constitution"
OIC. So these fine Northern clergy didn't have any issue with slavery. Interesting (the real cause had more to do with tariffs, I fear - though many a valiant Yankee marched 'to free the slaves' and many a brave Rebel was moved simply to defend his land...)
While slavery was an aggravating issue, States' Rights was the real issue of the war. Prior to the war the average American saw his home state as his country rather than the thirty- some state Federal Union. The southern states felt they had a right to secede and tried to exercise that right. If they had taken it to court instead of going to war, they stood a good chance to have won their independence. Emancipation was a political ploy to stave off British and French intervention on the South's behalf.
For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary. For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.
St. Thomas Aquinas
If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
While slavery was an aggravating issue, States' Rights was the real issue of the war. Prior to the war the average American saw his home state as his country rather than the thirty- some state Federal Union. The southern states felt they had a right to secede and tried to exercise that right. If they had taken it to court instead of going to war, they stood a good chance to have won their independence. Emancipation was a political ploy to stave off British and French intervention on the South's behalf.
Then how do you explain the fact that the war started in Kansas in 1854 following the passage of the Kansas/Nebraska act? Northern abolitionists and Southern pro-slavery factions moved into Kansas in an attempt to carry the popular vote in the state for their side. Fighting broke out, spread into Missouri, Arkansas, and the Oklahoma Territory, and continued for the next decade. The issue was slavery, pure and simple. Even the Indian nations living in Oklahoma split their loyalties over slavery.
"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am a friend of its happiness: When these things can be said, then may the country boast its constitution and its government." -- Thomas Paine: The Rights Of Man (1791)
While slavery was an aggravating issue, States' Rights was the real issue of the war. Prior to the war the average American saw his home state as his country rather than the thirty- some state Federal Union. The southern states felt they had a right to secede and tried to exercise that right. If they had taken it to court instead of going to war, they stood a good chance to have won their independence. Emancipation was a political ploy to stave off British and French intervention on the South's behalf.
Then how do you explain the fact that the war started in Kansas in 1854 following the passage of the Kansas/Nebraska act? Northern abolitionists and Southern pro-slavery factions moved into Kansas in an attempt to carry the popular vote in the state for their side. Fighting broke out, spread into Missouri, Arkansas, and the Oklahoma Territory, and continued for the next decade. The issue was slavery, pure and simple. Even the Indian nations living in Oklahoma split their loyalties over slavery.
Yes a great movie on this topic is
"Santa Fe Trail is a 1940western film directed by Michael Curtiz and starring Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland. Despite glaring historical inaccuracies and racist overtones, the film was one of the top-grossing films of the year, being the seventh Flynn-de Havilland collaboration. The film also has nothing to do with its namesake, the famed Santa Fe Trail except that the trail started in Missouri. Instead, it follows the life of Jeb Stuart, a cavalry commander (and future Confederate Army general)." -wiki
Despite this review that does not do it justice and yes it has short comings the movie is very "moving" I also live right near there!
While slavery was an aggravating issue, States' Rights was the real issue of the war. Prior to the war the average American saw his home state as his country rather than the thirty- some state Federal Union. The southern states felt they had a right to secede and tried to exercise that right. If they had taken it to court instead of going to war, they stood a good chance to have won their independence. Emancipation was a political ploy to stave off British and French intervention on the South's behalf.
Then how do you explain the fact that the war started in Kansas in 1854 following the passage of the Kansas/Nebraska act? Northern abolitionists and Southern pro-slavery factions moved into Kansas in an attempt to carry the popular vote in the state for their side. Fighting broke out, spread into Missouri, Arkansas, and the Oklahoma Territory, and continued for the next decade. The issue was slavery, pure and simple. Even the Indian nations living in Oklahoma split their loyalties over slavery.
While slavery may have been the major issue, it was not as "pure and simple" as you seem to imply.
In February 1861, delegates from the seven seceded states met in Montgomery, AL and formed the Confederate States of America. Working through the month, they produced the Confederate States Constitution which was adopted on March 11. This document mirrored the US Constitution in many ways, but provided for the explicit protection of slavery as well as espoused a stronger philosophy of states' rights. To lead the new government, the convention selected Jefferson Davis of Mississippi as president and Alexander Stephens of Georgia as vice president. Davis, a Mexican-American War veteran, had previously served as a US Senator and Secretary of War under President Franklin Pierce.
"Santa Fe Trail is a 1940western film directed by Michael Curtiz and starring Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland. Despite glaring historical inaccuracies and racist overtones, the film was one of the top-grossing films of the year, being the seventh Flynn-de Havilland collaboration. The film also has nothing to do with its namesake, the famed Santa Fe Trail except that the trail started in Missouri. Instead, it follows the life of Jeb Stuart, a cavalry commander (and future Confederate Army general)." -wiki
Despite this review that does not do it justice and yes it has short comings the movie is very "moving" I also live right near there!
Inacurate is an understatement. The movie claimed Stuart, Custer, Stuart, Custer, John Bell Hood, George Pickett, James Longstreet, and Philip Sheridan all having been part of the West Point graduating class of 1854. In reality Longstreet was of the class of 1842, Pickett was of the class of 1846, Sheridan and Hood were of the class of 1853, Stuart 1854, and Custer not until 1861-a year early because of the onset of the Civil War. The movie showed Stuart (Errol Flynn) and Custer (Ronald Reagan - IMO, seriously miscast) as best friends. In reality they never met.
In the movie, Brown's son Oliver is shot and killed in Kansas when in fact he was killed inside the Engine House at Harpers Ferry. Another son Jason is portrayed as a 15-year old (played by Gene Reynolds) who is accidentally shot by Van Heflin's character and dies in Kansas. At the time of Bleeding Kansas, Jason was around 34 years old. Though involved in his father's abolitionist work, he did not die in Kansas and was not involved at Harpers Ferry. -- wiki
In the movie Stuart leads a cavalry charge at Harpers Ferry. In the real world Brown was captured by a Marine infantry assault. The movie shows Jefferson Davis ordering Lee to Harpers Ferry, actually the order came from President James Buchanan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Trail_%28...
Despite this I did enjoy the movie.
"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am a friend of its happiness: When these things can be said, then may the country boast its constitution and its government." -- Thomas Paine: The Rights Of Man (1791)
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