Mar 13, 2009 -- 8:19PM, sincerly wrote:

Mar 12, 2009 -- 4:02AM, RayGarton wrote:

It's good that you've got yourself to talk to, Andrew.  I don't think anyone else is paying any attention.

Ray, even you didn't refute the fact that Jesus is in heaven. And Yes, ministering to/for those who have seen their need, repented and are keeping HIS Commandments in a show of LOVE for being their Redeemer.

I see that you believe that you are still caught up in a performance based faith.  Just for the sake of the readers here, what is grace?

Where is Jesus?  Where He always have been since His blessed Ascension to the right hand of the Father!!  Waiting for the word from the Father to return for the Church. 

This is yet another telling example brought to you by the untested spirit guide of one Helen G. White.  It told to her by that spirit in order to confuse and confound Christians rooted in the ancient Christian Creeds, taking them off the path of orthodoxy and into the land of Millerism and all the error that entails.

Mar 17, 2009 -- 10:43AM, andrewcyrus wrote:

Mar 16, 2009 -- 1:34AM, madmutt61 wrote:

Mar 11, 2009 -- 4:36AM, andrewcyrus wrote:

He is in heaven ministering on behalf of those who keep the Ten commandments.

Performanced based religion!  Show the biblical text that specifically states this false doctrine!

 Hmm according to to you the bible is a false doctrine.

That's called denial not debate, and of course no performance in denial which would be your point.

  

Jam 2:20	But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:26	For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

MAt 5v18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

.Hbr 10:15	[Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
	Hbr 10:16	This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
	Hbr 10:17	And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more

 

Just as I thought.  You did not answer the question but quote from the Bible your misinterpretation of the same.  Again, performance based religion!!  What I have denied is not the Scriptures but Adventism and the false doctrines it does teach.  Tell me, Andrew, just how good and perfect you must be before you can merit the love of God?  How many works must you perform before God will say that you are worthy enough to enter in the Kingdom of God?  How much?  Go on and tell us just how much more you need to earn the love of God.

You know little if any of the grace of God, which is freely given to those whom have placed their trust and faith in the works of Christ and His righteousness.  A gift is given, not earned or merited based on performance.  Freely given by One Who has already paid the price and purchased the gift by His death on the cross of Calvary.  Yet, you must, according to the tenets of Adventism, must earn it by keeping the Decalogue.  Faith?  What faith?  In Christ or in your efforts to keep the Decalogue perfectly?  You say in your efforts and that is denying the gospel of Christ.  You are basically saying that His death was not good enough, not sufficient enough-now, you must keep the Decalogue perfectly or else fail and perish in the flames of Hell.

That is why I will never accept the teachings of Adventism.  A false interpretation of the Gospel.  Never.  It is not denying the Scriptures, but denying your false interpretation of the same Scriptures that I trust in.  Debate?  What does the Bible teach about vain questions in Titus about the Law? 

Grace isn't a false witness which would be sin.

 It is mercy for the return to keeping God's commandments.

 EX V 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.