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4 years ago  ::  Nov 24, 2008 - 6:57PM #11
Scrappy59
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I have given great thought about whether there are angels among us and if they can appear to us in human form. In the scriptures it says, there are administering angels who minister to men. It also says that natural man can't abide ministering angels. Many of the prophets of old were spoken to by angels. Mary was visited by an angel to tell if she would bare The Son Of God. There are also angels of the Devil. In the scriptures that Satan transformed himself into an angel of light. I heard once that a angel of light you can't touch, but an angel of Satan you could touch. The scriptures tell us that there  will be those who have the gift to behold angels and others to be ministering angels or spirits. In the last days there are suppose to be angels flying proclaiming, Prepare Ye, Prepare Ye.  The angel  Gabriel appeared to Zacharias to tell him his wife Elizabeth shall bear him a son. That son was John The Baptist. I digress, your question can an angel become a man or a man become an angel? Maybe as the scriptures say, For with God nothing shall be impossible (Luke 1:37). It is said that revelations come by way of ministering angels. I have also heard that there are many who don't believe there is such a thing as an minstering angel now. I believe that the power of administering angels have not ceased. It is told in the scriptures that the Aaronic Priesthood holds the power of adminstering angels. One thing is that angels can reside with God, but man can't always reside with God according to his wickedness.  Angels I believe are resurrected personages and have a body of flesh. I think the natural man can't be an adminstering angel, but a resurrected man of God can be. I believe angels soul purpose is to deliver man and save them. This is my belief.
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 24, 2008 - 7:05PM #12
Tenlionz
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[QUOTE=Happy;917691]The Bible gives several times that angels appeared as humans. Genesis 6 says that angels married humans.

I know I married one of them!!![/QUOTE]

Right on Happy! I married one to, the world doez not dezerve her. You are very correct indeed concerning the documentation you mentioned. And there iz much more evidence and documentation in nearly all religious and or theological text, ancient and contemporary. I'm afraid there are thoze with thoughts (take them or leave them) rather than actual documentation AZ they would rather run their mouth and ego than study to produce actual evidence,or attempt to perpetuate their own religious belief and affiliation in the face of all evidence and documentation. Thank Grand Father for folks like you on BN that actually "read" in order to present intelligent responses.


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4 years ago  ::  Nov 24, 2008 - 7:50PM #13
Tenlionz
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[QUOTE=Denisemac;917811]If you are looking for scripture to find the answer to your question you should look it up in scripture and let God answer you. According to scripture God made man to become other then angels we were created to be his children. If you are just looking for answers among humans you will get all kinds of answers. The movies are created out of mans imagination and nothing more and can hardly be any kind of proof it is just a movie. If you want more scripture proof just say so here. I am at work and it is hard to show you proof in scripture for I don't have it memorized. Angels are spirit beings and like it says we could entertain them without knowing it for they appear as we do. At the resurrection we shall receive spirit bodies also but we will not be angels we will be Gods children....
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods?

Also may I add if a angel appears to you they will let you know why and will not leave you confused as in all stories of the bible where angels appear. God is not a God of confusion and when he sends an angel to us, we know it, and will understand their purpose. If we are left not knowing why they appeared, they were not an angel.[/QUOTE]
You are speaking of one little book among many books and ancient text, and Yes I'm afraid the Bible its self alludes to the fact that Christ began AZ an Angel "This day have I begotten thee" then your Christ became a "Man", several denominationz declare with out hesitation that Jesus waz an Angel (Jehovah's whiteness for one) therefor according to your Bible a heavenly being "can" become a Man, according to Cristian belief and my study he would have been the Angel "Metatron" also Genesis speaks of Angelic beingz becoming entangled in the affairs of Human beingz and creating a hybrid Angel known to many AZ Nephlim or "The Old Men of Renowned", many believe this to be the cauze for the Mesopotamian flood, in order to kill out the Nephlim which were building cities and feasting the flesh on Men and generally taking over the Earth, also the book of Enoch, Jubilees, Koran, Talmud,'the Book of the Angel Raziel' which came into possession of, first 'Enoch' (who it is said gave it out 'as his own work, The Book of Enoch), then to Noah, then to Solomon who according to demongraphers derived his famous great knowledge and powers of magic, Dictionaire Infernal.
From the Midrash (Rf. The Legends of the Jews I, 154-157), 'Hebrew and Babylonian Traditions'
It is in 'Targum' that it is reported that famous statement and countless Apogryphic accounts. Study with an open mind and you will find Angelz az Men thick az honey in ancient account.



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4 years ago  ::  Nov 24, 2008 - 7:59PM #14
Denisemac
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[QUOTE=Tenlionz;918057]You are speaking of one little book among many books and ancient text, and Yes I'm afraid the Bible its self alludes to the fact that Christ began AZ an Angel "This day have I begotten thee" then your Christ became a "Man", several denominationz declare with out hesitation that Jesus waz an Angel (Jehovah's whiteness for one) therefor according to your Bible a heavenly being "can" become a Man, according to Cristian belief and my study he would have been the Angel "Metatron" also Genesis speaks of Angelic beingz becoming entangled in the affairs of Human beingz and creating a hybrid Angel known to many AZ Nephlim or "The Old Men of Renowned", many believe this to be the cauze for the Mesopotamian flood, in order to kill out the Nephlim which were building cities and feasting the flesh on Men and generally taking over the Earth, also the book of Enoch, Jubilees, Koran, Talmud,'the Book of the Angel Raziel' which came into possession of, first 'Enoch' (who it is said gave it out 'as his own work, The Book of Enoch), then to Noah, then to Solomon who according to demongraphers derived his famous great knowledge and powers of magic, Dictionaire Infernal.
From the Midrash (Rf. The Legends of the Jews I, 154-157), 'Hebrew and Babylonian Traditions'
It is in 'Targum' that it is reported that famous statement and countless Apogryphic accounts. Study with an open mind and you will find Angelz az Men thick az honey in ancient account.



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thanks ten I do study with an open mind. I do not see where your account of Jesus being an angel. Scripture clearly states that Jesus was a God not an angel. He is the "lord God" in genesis 2 translated from the name Edonha (sp). He claims he had always been with the father and that he was the son of God. Never does it state he was an angel. How you get "begotten the" makes him an angel I do not understand. I am not trying to quarrel or make issues with you I am honestly asking how you can come to this conclusion when it is not stated as so? Jesus clearly states who he is. So if God had begotten him that means he was a "God" he is part of the Godhead as spoken of. I do not use other ancient text as I only need the bible thank you.
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 24, 2008 - 8:19PM #15
Tenlionz
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[QUOTE=Scrappy59;917991]I have given great thought about whether there are angels among us and if they can appear to us in human form. In the scriptures it says, there are administering angels who minister to men. It also says that natural man can't abide ministering angels. Many of the prophets of old were spoken to by angels. Mary was visited by an angel to tell if she would bare The Son Of God. There are also angels of the Devil. In the scriptures that Satan transformed himself into an angel of light. I heard once that a angel of light you can't touch, but an angel of Satan you could touch. The scriptures tell us that there  will be those who have the gift to behold angels and others to be ministering angels or spirits. In the last days there are suppose to be angels flying proclaiming, Prepare Ye, Prepare Ye.  The angel  Gabriel appeared to Zacharias to tell him his wife Elizabeth shall bear him a son. That son was John The Baptist. I digress, your question can an angel become a man or a man become an angel? Maybe as the scriptures say, For with God nothing shall be impossible (Luke 1:37). It is said that revelations come by way of ministering angels. I have also heard that there are many who don't believe there is such a thing as an minstering angel now. I believe that the power of administering angels have not ceased. It is told in the scriptures that the Aaronic Priesthood holds the power of adminstering angels. One thing is that angels can reside with God, but man can't always reside with God according to his wickedness.  Angels I believe are resurrected personages and have a body of flesh. I think the natural man can't be an adminstering angel, but a resurrected man of God can be. I believe angels soul purpose is to deliver man and save them. This is my belief.[/QUOTE]
You are forgetting the Biblical account of a Man wrestling with an Angel and the Angel granting hiz request simply to get the man to release him, or Angelz feasting with Men and staying AZ guest in their homez. Lucifer and the Devil are a Christian concept and fairly new on the scene my Friend, Catholic in origin and poorly designed at that. middle Eastern religion doez not mention Demonz or negative spirits except in the case of  dybbuk which refers to a Human spirit much like a Ghost that has the ability to posses another Human being or severely oppress them. In Islamic belief Jinn are intelligent creatures made from fire. Much like human beings they have free will to choose between right and wrong. While jinn may possess a human for pure wickedness it may also do it for other reasons. Sheikh al-Islam ibn Taymiyyah suggests that jinn may do it in order to experience the physical world for reasons of desire or love. In this case jinn may not have a malicious intent or may be unaware of the harm it is causing. Jinn might also use possession for revenge. Jinn are said to be quick to anger especially when they believe themselves to have been purposely harmed. Since jinn are usually invisible to humans a person can accidentally injure a jinn and this is why it is necessary for one to maintain good spiritual health. I believe there iz a negative force to every positive force.but to buy into Catholic tradition iz quite foll hearty to say the very least.





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4 years ago  ::  Nov 24, 2008 - 8:31PM #16
Tenlionz
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I only need the bible thank you. < that iz not an open mind, that iz a trapped mind my Friend, trapped in one book. Be a slave to religion or uze your intelect to break free and study with the mind the creator gave you, study to show your self approved, know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Do you know how theze Islamic fundamentalist got started cutting peoplez headz off? One book one doctrine, they lost the ability to think for them selvez, The Christian religious fervor created the same slaughter of witchez and heretics my freind. I believe you to be a good person no matter what your decision may be, I would only be supportive of your quest for knowledge and wizdom with a free mind and open heart, what "God" could deny you this?
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 24, 2008 - 9:30PM #17
Denisemac
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[QUOTE=Tenlionz;918130]I only need the bible thank you. < that iz not an open mind, that iz a trapped mind my Friend, trapped in one book. Be a slave to religion or uze your intelect to break free and study with the mind the creator gave you, study to show your self approved, know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Do you know how theze Islamic fundamentalist got started cutting peoplez headz off? One book one doctrine, they lost the ability to think for them selvez, The Christian religious fervor created the same slaughter of witchez and heretics my freind. I believe you to be a good person no matter what your decision may be, I would only be supportive of your quest for knowledge and wizdom with a free mind and open heart, what "God" could deny you this?[/QUOTE]

Since you do not know me I can understand your assumption that you think I am a christian. I am not a christian I do not believe as they do. I do have a open mind and if I did not I would not of learned the truth and would not be able to know falseness when I see it. You think that you are right and anyone else is wrong is just as limited as the christian. My original statement if you notice was "if you are looking for scripture truth". My God teaches me to prove all things and that was my questions to you. if that is how you are getting your decision based on what you had posted that was not clearly stated, you were able to take it out of context to support your belief? If you or who originally asked this  question is not interested in scripture I will not post anymore of it. I have waited for this person to ask me but I have no desire to quarrel semantics with you and beliefs and for you to insult my beliefs especially when you have no idea what they are.
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2008 - 5:16AM #18
leftuncheckd
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>.Denisemac: Again I was looking for a quote from some book of reference. After finding the article on angels written by a B'net staff member, he said the idea came from scripture. At least his source is the bible. There might be references in the Torah or the Koran or somewhere else? Thought maybe someone remembered where they saw it.
>If it came from the bible, I, me, won't give it any credence because the bible has so many false teachings in it IMO. My unchangable opinion. But if it comes from some other source, I'd like to know, just for my own knowledge.
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2008 - 9:06AM #19
Denisemac
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[QUOTE=leftuncheckd;918501]>.Denisemac: Again I was looking for a quote from some book of reference. After finding the article on angels written by a B'net staff member, he said the idea came from scripture. At least his source is the bible. There might be references in the Torah or the Koran or somewhere else? Thought maybe someone remembered where they saw it.
>If it came from the bible, I, me, won't give it any credence because the bible has so many false teachings in it IMO. My unchangable opinion. But if it comes from some other source, I'd like to know, just for my own knowledge.
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ok thanks for your response. I wasn't expecting a debate about my beliefs either. peace
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2008 - 6:14PM #20
Tenlionz
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[QUOTE=Denisemac;918215]Since you do not know me I can understand your assumption that you think I am a christian. I am not a christian I do not believe as they do. I do have a open mind and if I did not I would not of learned the truth and would not be able to know falseness when I see it. You think that you are right and anyone else is wrong is just as limited as the christian. My original statement if you notice was "if you are looking for scripture truth". My God teaches me to prove all things and that was my questions to you. if that is how you are getting your decision based on what you had posted that was not clearly stated, you were able to take it out of context to support your belief? If you or who originally asked this  question is not interested in scripture I will not post anymore of it. I have waited for this person to ask me but I have no desire to quarrel semantics with you and beliefs and for you to insult my beliefs especially when you have no idea what they are.[/QUOTE]

I only need the bible" were your words, so yes I can see how you could be confused with the Buddhist or other in depth open minded religionz, hey of course hehe, just what type of lunacy are we dealing with here? I don't subscribe to one thing I have written here, only to the possibility. All I said to you waz good advise for any one, "study" so of course you would confuse me with a Fundamentalist pushing a religion. right? hehe, All the documentation I have presented here iz written by religious scholars through out time, so of course its wrong and your the only one that knowz that? not sure what to think of your post at this point but I'm leaning between the wordz hypocrite and moron,



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