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5 years ago  ::  Oct 02, 2008 - 4:51PM #1
ganesh_bhakta
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Namaste all,

What do you all think of the BAPS (Swaminarayan) movement? I believe they are a very good group. I am friends with a devotee of theirs and he is one of the nicest guys I've ever met. I've learned quite a bit from him on personal ethics and behavior in response to certain circumstances. I don't know if I believe Swaminaryan is God, I'm still on the fence with that one. But I do believe the movement is great. They give Hinduism a very good name, in my opinion, despite a lot of the fallacies of non-Hindus and social ills we have within our Hindu society at the moment. My hat goes off to BAPS!

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ganesh_bhakta
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 02, 2008 - 5:48PM #2
Maya3
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I have never heard of them.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 02, 2008 - 5:53PM #3
ganesh_bhakta
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Namaste Maya,

Their website is http://www.baps.org

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ganesh_bhakta
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 02, 2008 - 8:09PM #4
Invictius
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Namaste Ganesh Bhakta,

I know what you are talking about, but I personally think that there is more swaminaryanism than Hinduism since they believe Bhagwan Swaminarayan who actually came around 17th century is a God but I not ready to belive that because I have hardly heard about him and he is not as popular as Sai Baba who came in the 1900s but he has more followers including Muslims all over India and the world while Bhagwan Swaminarayan only has his followers in only the state of Gujarat and some places in the world. I m not criticizing their followers, but many of the do not give that much importance to any other gods like Ram, Krishna. I have a relative who became a Swaminarayan devote and after that he became a very religious and strict Swaminarayan and didnt ate certain kinds of food and stopped going to the main temple instead went to only Swaminarayan temple, didnt participate much in othe temples. For me they called themselves Hindu but I feel thats its more like a one god religion. Nonetheless I go to some of their temples but not the Pramukh Swami Mahrajis Temples another Guru of BAPS who name is Harisprasadji Maharaj and unlike PSM BAPS they dont spread Swaminaryanism instead they worship all gods including Bhagwan Swaminarayan.
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 02, 2008 - 8:44PM #5
ganesh_bhakta
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Namaste Invictius,

Yeah, they are strict. But as far as foods go, I think vegetarianism and no garlic or onion is a traditional Hindu diet. I'm not vegetarian yet since I'm still at home, but when I get my own place I'm going cold turkey.

You're right, as far as I know, BAPS only worships Swaminarayan, but they respect all the other Gods. There is actually nothing wrong with a Hindu only worshiping one God. I've even heard of atheist Hindus. I don't know how that works, but they're Hindu nontheless. There was a whole system of philosophy based on atheism. I think it was called Sankhya. I don't know if it's still followed anymore. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken. :)

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ganesh_bhakta
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 02, 2008 - 11:30PM #6
Maya3
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ganesh bhakta,
I agree with you. There is a sect within Hinduism that is atheist, I don't know too much about them. But I believe that Gangajal and Hinduguy knows more, maybe they could tell us more about them.
I understand it like this; since according to Hindu thought every path is accepted so is atheism.
No one knows with 100 %  certainty that God exists so, the atheists may be right.

Invictius,
Hinduism is not polytheistic.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 03, 2008 - 8:32AM #7
Invictius
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Ganesh Bhakta

There are nine major Hindu schools of philosophy. These are broadly divided into ‘Astika’ schools and ‘Nastika’ schools. While the terms ‘Astika’ and ‘Nastika’ are loosely translated to mean ‘theist’ and ‘atheist’, they technically refer to belief in the Vedas (four of the ‘holy books’ of Hinduism) rather than belief in God. The six schools which fall under the title ‘Astika’ believe in the teachings of the Vedas, even if they do not subscribe a Creator-God.

Of the ‘Astika’ schools, the Samkhya and Karma-Mimasa thinkers can be described as atheists. Samkaya believed in the material world (Prakriti) and the existence of the spirit (Purusha) but not in God. The Karma-Mimasa school believes strongly in natural Karmic law (that good deeds are rewarded and bad deeds punished) and has no need of an omnipotent being to enforce it.

The three Nastika schools - Buddhism, Jainism and Carvaka - reject the doctrine of the Vedas. However, they are not necessarily atheist. Buddhism is, perhaps, the only agnostic religion in existence. Jainism rejects the idea of an omnipotent manager, believing instead that the universe has always existed, will always exist and is governed by natural laws.

Carvaka is the most strongly atheist of the three schools. Also called the Lokayata, it is named after its founder, Carvaka. It seems to have originated somewhere around 300 BC and died out around the 1400s AD. The original works of this school have been lost and our knowledge of it is based upon criticism of Carvaka philosophy written by Hindu and Buddhist opponents.

Maya,
It depends on what school of Vedanta (conclusion of the Vedas) or philosophy you choose.  I myself
believe that Hinduism is monotheistic disguised as Polythestic
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 03, 2008 - 8:47AM #8
Maya3
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It depends on what school of Vedanta (conclusion of the Vedas) or philosophy you choose. I myself
believe that Hinduism is monotheistic disguised as Polythestic
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(sorry I'm just testing something here...

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 03, 2008 - 8:50AM #9
Maya3
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Weird, when I made a quote above suddenly it said: Reply WIth Quote, you see it above. I did not write that. Hmmm?
I thought that maybe it did it automatically...not sure what is going on. Anyway... I'll do it again.

It depends on what school of Vedanta (conclusion of the Vedas) or philosophy you choose. I myself
believe that Hinduism is monotheistic disguised as Polythestic



I see, I thought that you didn't know.

Maya

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 03, 2008 - 11:35AM #10
ganesh_bhakta
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Namaste Invictius,

Thank you for the information on the schools of philosophy. I once read a short treatise on the shad darshanas, but I don't remember much of it. I think it was in Swami Sivananda's "All About Hinduism". It actually wasn't a short treatise, but more like an overview of them individually. I may buy that book again.

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