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UU: A Dying Hollow Faith
3 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2009 - 7:22PM #1
razorleaf
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I've been associated with Unitarian Universalism for over five years now at several different societies and I am growing dissatisfied with the direction of the group.  The first glaring problem is the complete lack of spiritual teachings.  The teachings of the group mainly concern ethics and a survey of world religion, this is absolutely not enough to form the meaningful basis of a religion and insufficient to create an environment where spiritual teachings can evolve.  The faith basically ends up being a social club for intelligent, activist oriented conscientous objectors from other religions who are lonely and want to place to go to socialize.

Next complaint, everybody can't be right and the society shouldn't sanction false teachings.  Case in point, athiesm.  There is sufficient evidence that people exist as souls apart from their bodies and reincarnate.  Therefore it is detrimental to people's wellbeing to allow athiesm to co-exist within the unitarian society.  I have nothing against athiests, there are other groups they can join to socialze depressedly and cynically amongst themselves.  However, they do nothing to reinforce real spirituality in the UU faith.

Another complaint, where are the spirtual teachings in UU regarding the afterlife?  Purpose in life?  Values? Etc.  People need something progressive and effective not this silly watered down seven principles of not killing each other.

I notice that UU Societys are basically dying around the country due to lack of new converts where Paganism is booming.  UU even tries to steal Pagans by welcoming them into their Society.  This is disgusting.  UU does not enhance Pagan religion by doing this.

Okay, enough ranting for me.  If this religion doesn't get its act together it will probably be gone in about 20 years.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2009 - 9:44PM #2
Jcarlinbn
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[FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][COLOR="DarkRed"]I seem to be your problem at UU.

Might I suggest the Presbyterians or similar.  You won't find any atheists there, and they will be happy to tell you all you need to know about the afterlife, purpose in life, and values. They will also provide you will canned spirituality so you won't have to do any spiritual heavy lifting.   Don't worry, you won't have to think about anything for yourself, or put up with people whose religions might cause you to think if you are choosing the right God. 

Thanks for your warning, I am sure all UU's will worry about it for at least a few seconds.  [/COLOR]
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2009 - 10:23PM #3
Kevinponeill
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"There is sufficient evidence that people exist as souls apart from their bodies and reincarnate. Therefore it is detrimental to people's wellbeing to allow athiesm to co-exist within the unitarian society. I have nothing against athiests, there are other groups they can join to socialze depressedly and cynically amongst themselves. However, they do nothing to reinforce real spirituality in the UU faith."

Do you consider Buddhist spiritual?  They're atheists.

What evidene is there for life after death?
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 18, 2009 - 12:10AM #4
BlackWingBlueSky
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[QUOTE=jcarlinbn;1026097][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][COLOR="DarkRed"]Thanks for your warning, I am sure all UU's will worry about it for at least a few seconds.  [/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]

I actually found the OP quite useful.  I've been waffling about attending the local UU church regularly, but Razorleaf provided quite an endorsement for the likes of me!
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 18, 2009 - 12:25AM #5
mountain_man
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[QUOTE=razorleaf;1025798]I've been associated with Unitarian Universalism for over five years now at several different societies and I am growing dissatisfied with the direction of the group.  ...[/QUOTE]
Then go find a group that is going in the direction you want.  :confused: Why attack a group just because they are not going where YOU want to? Quit and move on.
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There is sufficient evidence that people exist as souls apart from their bodies and reincarnate. [/QUOTE]
There is no such evidence.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 18, 2009 - 1:54AM #6
razorleaf
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This is what I mean, atheists have such a sense of self reightousness despite having incredibly closed minds.  They hate the concept of anything intelligent, powerful and benevolent existing outside their little fragile ego and see the world through rose filtered glasses that automatically reject evidence to the contrary such as verified past life regression memories, deathbed visitations and near death experiences.  A good book to read is "Journey of Souls" by Newton.

As I said before this viewpoint is false and should no longer be supported by the religion.  It makes no sense to support an individual's free will to make a mistake and say that this is as beneficial as a loving, supportive religion based in truth.

Buddhism endorses reincarnation and the existence of more intelligent, supportive beings than humans.  To imply this supports atheism is completely wrong.  What it does support is the idea that there is a pantheon of beings at different levels of development who can help others rather than just one being named God who does it all.  This is a much more realistic view of existence if one accepts reincarnation and the fact that individuals are at different levels of development with different needs and capabilities.  Further, while Buddhism provides spiritual teachings it still allows individuals to have free choice to evaluate the methods and test their usefulness.  This is probably why it is so popular in the Unitarian faith-it is needed to provide a spiritual core that is sorely lacking.

I am starting to see why the UU faith is so spiritually dead.  By accepting all religions it fails to filter out the erroneous teachings and ends up wasting people's time in fruitless searching. It fails to provide direction to its members and it fails to evolve better spiritual techniques to allow individuals to grow.  At best UU is a social club and people need more from that out of religion.

I have been an athiest in the past and it is a path that leads nowhere but to loneliness and self ruin.  This was never originally a part of the UU faith and should no longer be tolerated in Unitarian Universalism.  To extend this, other false teachings shouldn't be endorsed either.

I think that tolerance is a good virtue to have but UU should be much more progressive about creating a unique core of spiritual teachings that are effective.  For example, Tibetan Buddhism actually allows scientists to monitor them during various meditations to improve its methods.  Compared to this UU ends up being a spiritual lemon that does nothing to add to the sum total of spiritual knowledge.

Even scarier, I once thought that UU would be a good place for religious education but I'm starting to see that by sanctioning athiesm as a valid point of view it is really just setting kids up for depression in life.  You can verify this by reading books on positive psychology that state that people who are religious are happier in life.  Therefore athiests are conversely more unhappy and depressed over their short, self centered and largely meaningless existence.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 18, 2009 - 10:57AM #7
mountain_man
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[QUOTE=razorleaf;1026399]This is what I mean, atheists have such a sense of self reightousness despite having incredibly closed minds. ...[/QUOTE]How is any kind of communication possible with someone that has an attitude like that?
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 18, 2009 - 11:29AM #8
razorleaf
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"I'm Rubber You're Glue. . ."

http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/rubber.html

"Do you remember: "I am rubber, you are glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."? We can learn a lot from this poem. Many times, people we love and care about say things that are hurtful. Often what is said is a projection of their own feelings on to us; a kind of throwing out upon another that ideas that belong to them. The expression projection implies that what is cast upon another is considered undesirable to the one who projects. The one who blames another for his/her own mistakes or seeks a scapegoat is using projection as a coping mechanism."

So far I have seen no credible evidence to support your assertion that the evidence I mentioned was invalid, only a dismissal with no investigation whatsoever.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 18, 2009 - 11:41AM #9
mountain_man
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[QUOTE=razorleaf;1026821]"I'm Rubber You're Glue. . ."

"Do you remember: "I am rubber, you are glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."? ..."[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's a children's poem. Adults talk.

Why should the UU change in order to fit YOUR beliefs?
Why are you so afraid of Atheists?
Why are you so afraid of life?
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 18, 2009 - 12:09PM #10
Evillynnstar
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Many UUs I know often belong to the UU fellowship and another religious organization. UU encourage individual spiritual growth, which is why they tell you what you should believe, but give you information of the many different faiths and let you descide. As for atheist, not all are as you discribe. Some can be bitter, so can some theist as well.
If you feel that the UU way is not your way, or if you like it but feel you need something more, why not go and check out a few different' religions?
UUs often encourage that behavior. Why do you think they teach so much about the different faiths out there? Well good luck to you.
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