I read about the "Lucifer Rebellion" and discovered the explanation that the Satania System has been put into "radio silence" and no communication in or out is allowed, so "we" are essentially disconnected from the otherwise Universe-wide system described in the book.
How did we come to know about this if we are on "silence" mode?
Also, where did the name "Satania" come from? I read that Satan was not the System Leader, Lucifer was, but I'm not sure if its just a coincidence that Satania has Satan in it.
Also, I'd never heard of Caligastia. What does anyone know about him?
Also, Beelzebub's name is mentioned as the leader of the 'midway creatures'. I read a chapter explaining at least some of the duties and responsibilities of midway creatures so I think they're basically angels... is Beelzebub like the highest of them, or is he a greater angel that's in charge of them?
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I read about the "Lucifer Rebellion" and discovered the explanation that the Satania System has been put into "radio silence" and no communication in or out is allowed, so "we" are essentially disconnected from the otherwise Universe-wide system described in the book.
How did we come to know about this if we are on "silence" mode?
Also, where did the name "Satania" come from? I read that Satan was not the System Leader, Lucifer was, but I'm not sure if its just a coincidence that Satania has Satan in it.
Also, I'd never heard of Caligastia. What does anyone know about him?
Also, Beelzebub's name is mentioned as the leader of the 'midway creatures'. I read a chapter explaining at least some of the duties and responsibilities of midway creatures so I think they're basically angels... is Beelzebub like the highest of them, or is he a greater angel that's in charge of them?
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I read about the "Lucifer Rebellion" and discovered the explanation that the Satania System has been put into "radio silence" and no communication in or out is allowed, so "we" are essentially disconnected from the otherwise Universe-wide system described in the book.
How did we come to know about this if we are on "silence" mode?
Firstly, you need to understand I do not find the Ubook without error. But I do value it none the less. Its a good point that you have raised, but it did not mean that we could get no assistance. For example Adam and Eve still came here, so did Melkizadek, as also Jesus.
However where I find the ubook greatly in error, is the statement that deceased mortals "may not" communicate with us. There is so much evidence to the contrary, that that comment is ludicrous. However the ubook itself was claimed to not have come from ex-mortals, but only from angels. So that neatly bypasses that limitation claimed in the ubook.
EyesoftheWorld wrote:
Also, where did the name "Satania" come from? I read that Satan was not the System Leader, Lucifer was, but I'm not sure if its just a coincidence that Satania has Satan in it.
I have noted that, and don't know the answer, if there is one.
EyesoftheWorld wrote:
Also, I'd never heard of Caligastia. What does anyone know about him?
As far as I know the only source of information on Caligastia is the ubook.
EyesoftheWorld wrote:
Also, Beelzebub's name is mentioned as the leader of the 'midway creatures'. I read a chapter explaining at least some of the duties and responsibilities of midway creatures so I think they're basically angels... is Beelzebub like the highest of them, or is he a greater angel that's in charge of them?
Well we know a heck of a lot about midwayers, because we have been talking to them for more than 60 years now. Technically they are not angels, because they are material creatures. They are also pretty much fixed to this planet.
Beelzebub was one who asked for and obtained mercy, and as far as we know, he may well be back here, assisting, because he was one of the 873 who rebelled. We do know that the midwayers who rebelled were forgiven in 1985, and have been "re-trained" and are back here. But I am quite sure if he is here, we won't be hearing that name, and he is certainly not "in charge". We have not come across one of the 1,111 who claims to be "in charge" but ABC22 that we have a lot to do with, is in charge of his group. They seem to all report to Machieventa Melkizadek, who is currently our planetary prince. He reports to Michael.
Thank you, NothingButLove! I wasn't sure how long I'd have to wait until someone answered me!
I see the points you make and only wish to follow up with you on Beelzebub. Where is it related that he sought mercy? I had been under the impression that he was still "at-large" so to speak... So he's been rehabilitated? I honestly don't have the time to read every page of The Urantia Book at this point in my life, so if you can give me an idea as to which chapter I can find that part in, I'd really appreciate it... and of course I already appreciate what you've provided already
I have read from non-Urantia sources that he had at least one conversation with King Solomon, in which he claims that he's responsible for, among other things, war and causing priests to lust. This may be in the Old Testament, I'm not certain.
Is Beelzebub himself a midwayer? in that he's material and fixed to this planet?
thanks!
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I see the points you make and only wish to follow up with you on Beelzebub. Where is it related that he sought mercy? I had been under the impression that he was still "at-large" so to speak... So he's been rehabilitated? I honestly don't have the time to read every page of The Urantia Book at this point in my life, so if you can give me an idea as to which chapter I can find that part in, I'd really appreciate it... and of course I already appreciate what you've provided already
The Urantia book was published in about 1950 or so. Not sure when the last communication took place, but this information I have given you comes from George Barnard, a friend of mine with 60 years experience of midwayers. He only found the ubook recently, so his making contact, and all the experiences he has had with them, were not in any way influenced by the ubook. However I understand at least another two folks confirmed the date of the adjudication, long after the ubook was published.
EyesoftheWorld wrote:
I have read from non-Urantia sources that he had at least one conversation with King Solomon, in which he claims that he's responsible for, among other things, war and causing priests to lust. This may be in the Old Testament, I'm not certain.
They certainly caused trouble, but not since Pentecost. Apparently the isolation you referred to had a great deal to do with that, and the midwayers were just like wild teenagers, lacking guidance and direction.
EyesoftheWorld wrote:
Is Beelzebub himself a midwayer? in that he's material and fixed to this planet?
thanks!
Yes, they are material, but of the material of the next realm we go to, what is called Morontia material. (Thinking about this, I wonder if that is correct, because I know they are electrical in nature, I will ask George. It seems there are quite some number of time/space realms.) However midwayers have the ability to turn up physically here, in other words, by some means they create identical to us flesh and blood forms. Presumably pretty much what Jesus did after his death. I guess after their failure, one could have expected the rebels to have been dispatched to another planet, but we understand that has not happened. We also have "alien" midwayers here at this time. It truly is all hands on deck at this time. And last week, and right now, they have been mostly in the Gaza.
Had a quick chat to George, and clarified a few things. The Midwayers are material, of a Morontia sort, and run an electrical system, rather than the electro-chemical system we have here. So you could hug them, they are solid, but internally quite different to us. If they turn up here, they don't have flesh and blood bodies, but they already look a lot like us. Their gait is springy, so if you looked closely, you would think they walk funny.
Regarding "in charge" midwayers, there were 33 "chiefs" Almost certainly any chiefs in the 873 are no longer that, including Beelzebub. But as far as we can tell, the chiefs report the the Planetary Prince. We know of three chiefs only. ABC22, MNO8, and one in China, whose label we don't know. (mongozulu he is known as)
Thank you. The passage did say that Beelzebub was the leader of the midway creatures... I don't know if he had been unofficially elected by the rebellious ones, or if he was in a leadership role before the rebellion though.
Jesus, in the Bible, is accused ot driving out spirits by the power of Beelzebub, by the way, by I believe, the Pharisees.
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Yes. Jesus had perfect answers... Like when the temple staff tried to get him to incriminate himself by saying something against paying tax to Rome and he asked to see a coin and it had an Emperor's head on it and he said "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's.".. would that have been Augustus, by the way, or Tiberius?
Do you happen to know the answer to the other "question"? I realize my post contained statements technically but you answered one!
PS. here's the question again:
The passage did say that Beelzebub was the leader of the midway creatures... I don't know if he had been unofficially elected by the rebellious ones, or if he was in a leadership role before the rebellion though.
(edit) Was Beelzebub the leader of the midway creatures before or only after the rebellion?
Thanks!
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Yes. Jesus had perfect answers... Like when the temple staff tried to get him to incriminate himself by saying something against paying tax to Rome and he asked to see a coin and it had an Emperor's head on it and he said "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's.".. would that have been Augustus, by the way, or Tiberius?
Looks like it would have been Tiberius - AD 14–37. Jesus was born some years before 1, and died 36 yo I think.
A fascinating comment was made by a discarnate on that quote, to the effect that the second part is actually much more important. "Give to God the things that are His." Because it means we should each of us directly approach Father, and that we do not need priests to intervene, as they like to suggest. Nor do we need Jesus as an intermediary.
EyesoftheWorld wrote:
Do you happen to know the answer to the other "question"? I realize my post contained statements technically but you answered one! PS. here's the question again: The passage did say that Beelzebub was the leader of the midway creatures... I don't know if he had been unofficially elected by the rebellious ones, or if he was in a leadership role before the rebellion though. (edit) Was Beelzebub the leader of the midway creatures before or only after the rebellion?
Thanks!
Well what I said that there were 33 "chiefs" of 1984 midwayers. It seems Beelzebub was a nominal leader of them, before Pentecost, but we don't know if that meant the rebels reported to him, or that he simply was a popular representative and spokesperson of the rebellious midwayers. Clearly he did side with Lucifer, and certainly that would have meant that any midwayer who sided with Michael would not have paid him any allegiance. It was a time of choosing sides.
But there is not currently a single midwayer leader, as far as we can discern. Of the 33 chiefs, we do not know how many rebelled, but they would not have been reinstated, in our view, to being "chiefs" again. On the other hand, we don't know how the 873 rebels have been organised now that they are rehabilitated. One assumes they would be put along side others of the 1,111 who stayed true to Michael, rather than being grouped together with other rebels. But we don't know.
So all I can say, is that any role Beelzebub may have had, was only up to Pentecost, and certainly would only have been in terms of the 873 rebels at the time of Pentecost. The 1,111 would have avoided contact with him by that time.
