New Posts For Thread: The matter of Mansukh & Nasikh!http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!Hi,What do the Muslims here, I'd especially like to hear from learned members, have to say about this article?I'd like to investigate the faith further, however this has me a bit at odds with the conflict currently brewing between that once side thaThe reason I had included this hadith in my post was to show that this guy is claiming to be present when "stoning" verse was revealed. That makes at least two witnesses and, therefore, such verse should have been in the Qur'an. Perhaps he was only ahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461941293#461941293The reason I had included this hadith in my post was to show that this guy is claiming to be present when "stoning" verse was revealed. That makes at least two witnesses and, therefore, such verse should have been in the Qur'an. Perhaps he was only aSun, 15 Aug 2010 05:13:03 -0500Wa alaikum brother AbdullahOf course Islam (the only religion ordained by Allah) since Adam has been revealed gradually over many centuries and perfected in the Qur'an, by the end of its revelation. This Deen was perfected through the Qur'an. The Qurhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461938325#461938325Wa alaikum brother AbdullahOf course Islam (the only religion ordained by Allah) since Adam has been revealed gradually over many centuries and perfected in the Qur'an, by the end of its revelation. This Deen was perfected through the Qur'an. The QurSun, 15 Aug 2010 04:06:38 -0500[/quote] I've got the impression that 'Ubada b. as-Samit was a 7th. century Arabia CNN reporter. Certainly he had a fair knowledge of a heretic facial changes when when interacting such media as jinn and/or iblis. But what he didn't understand ishttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461930053#461930053[/quote] I've got the impression that 'Ubada b. as-Samit was a 7th. century Arabia CNN reporter. Certainly he had a fair knowledge of a heretic facial changes when when interacting such media as jinn and/or iblis. But what he didn't understand isSun, 15 Aug 2010 00:55:41 -0500Wa alakumassalaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu,Fornicatress and the fornicator (Zania and Zani) means female and male who have illigal sexual intercourse. No mention of the age or the marital status. And of course there is no mention of stoning in thihttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461895793#461895793Wa alakumassalaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu,Fornicatress and the fornicator (Zania and Zani) means female and male who have illigal sexual intercourse. No mention of the age or the marital status. And of course there is no mention of stoning in thiSat, 14 Aug 2010 18:24:53 -0500Assalamaualaikum wrhmtllh,Surah An-Nur 24 : 2 reads: The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by ALLAH, if you believe in ALLAH and the Lasthttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461820261#461820261Assalamaualaikum wrhmtllh,Surah An-Nur 24 : 2 reads: The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by ALLAH, if you believe in ALLAH and the LastSat, 14 Aug 2010 08:37:43 -0500Wa alykum brother Ibn! Islam being revealed as it was in stages brother - and one of the wisdoms of it being revealed in stages i think was to get the people used to various laws, and gradually introduce better one's etc - it is perfectly understanhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461799425#461799425Wa alykum brother Ibn! Islam being revealed as it was in stages brother - and one of the wisdoms of it being revealed in stages i think was to get the people used to various laws, and gradually introduce better one's etc - it is perfectly understanSat, 14 Aug 2010 04:25:09 -0500Salaam, brother,Just to add, to further your assessment of the reason for "stoning" account in the hadith books, I give you the Link (below) that explains where some Muslims have been misleading themselves by giving more importance to the hadith bookhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461789001#461789001Salaam, brother,Just to add, to further your assessment of the reason for "stoning" account in the hadith books, I give you the Link (below) that explains where some Muslims have been misleading themselves by giving more importance to the hadith bookSat, 14 Aug 2010 00:27:42 -0500Assalamaualaikum wrhmtllh, br. Ibn,Masha'Allah, I am glad that you discovered the commentary by Assad. We know that he was a Hebrew who converted to Islam. Who else could have understood better of what could have happened in the "aftermath" of thehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461761153#461761153Assalamaualaikum wrhmtllh, br. Ibn,Masha'Allah, I am glad that you discovered the commentary by Assad. We know that he was a Hebrew who converted to Islam. Who else could have understood better of what could have happened in the "aftermath" of theFri, 13 Aug 2010 19:24:30 -0500Please do not be misguided if any Muslim or non Muslim tells you that a verse of the Qur'an that was once revealed, is no more to be found in the final compilation. But, the prescribed punishment for adultery of "stoning to death" commanded in that "http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461736829#461736829Please do not be misguided if any Muslim or non Muslim tells you that a verse of the Qur'an that was once revealed, is no more to be found in the final compilation. But, the prescribed punishment for adultery of "stoning to death" commanded in that "Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:22:04 -0500If other "abrogated" Verses were included in the Qur'an then why not include stoning verse too?One witness (Umar rA) excuse is not acceptable whilst you also claim that there was consensus of Sahaaba. If there has been consensus of Sahaaba on the stohttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51633/25565073/The_matter_of_Mansukh__Nasikh!?post_id=461588617#461588617If other "abrogated" Verses were included in the Qur'an then why not include stoning verse too?One witness (Umar rA) excuse is not acceptable whilst you also claim that there was consensus of Sahaaba. If there has been consensus of Sahaaba on the stoThu, 12 Aug 2010 17:28:15 -0500