New Posts For Thread: Origins of caste system and its many formshttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_formsFor some the origins of the caste system are found in the poem, Purusha Sukta, in the 10th book of the Rig-Veda, whose ten books are generally judged as dating back to the second half of the second millennium b.c.e. In the Purusha Sukta, the four chiI got this material from some one.There are widespread misconceptions and propoganda blaming inequalities of caste systems upon Rigveda. Such misconceptions stem from selective quoting of RV X.90.12 (purusha sukta) in isolation : बराह्मhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=511707871#511707871I got this material from some one.There are widespread misconceptions and propoganda blaming inequalities of caste systems upon Rigveda. Such misconceptions stem from selective quoting of RV X.90.12 (purusha sukta) in isolation : बराह्मWed, 26 Oct 2011 12:09:11 -0500www.urbandharma.org/pdf/AggannaSutta.pdfhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506519809#506519809www.urbandharma.org/pdf/AggannaSutta.pdfSat, 10 Sep 2011 16:24:23 -0500Apparently, this point of contention is now moot. It’s no longer a matter of belief. Birth-based caste-ism definitely goes back beyond the c.e. after all –genepath.med.harvard.edu/~reich/2009_Nat...Among many other things, the chief chttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506384511#506384511Apparently, this point of contention is now moot. It’s no longer a matter of belief. Birth-based caste-ism definitely goes back beyond the c.e. after all –genepath.med.harvard.edu/~reich/2009_Nat...Among many other things, the chief cWed, 07 Sep 2011 20:14:41 -0500Apparently, this point of contention is now moot. It’s no longer a matter of belief. Birth-based caste-ism definitely goes back beyond the c.e. after all –genepath.med.harvard.edu/~reich/2009_Nat...Among many other things, the chief chttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506315139#506315139Apparently, this point of contention is now moot. It’s no longer a matter of belief. Birth-based caste-ism definitely goes back beyond the c.e. after all –genepath.med.harvard.edu/~reich/2009_Nat...Among many other things, the chief cTue, 06 Sep 2011 10:59:18 -0500Well, if one accepts the Western dating. As I said at the beginning, it's problematic.Hope this helps. Hare KrsnaYour servant, bh. Janwww.vrindavan-dham.comwww.veda.harekrsna.czdvaitaM bandhAya mokSAt prAk prApte bodhe manISayAbhaktyarthaM kalpitam dhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506230773#506230773Well, if one accepts the Western dating. As I said at the beginning, it's problematic.Hope this helps. Hare KrsnaYour servant, bh. Janwww.vrindavan-dham.comwww.veda.harekrsna.czdvaitaM bandhAya mokSAt prAk prApte bodhe manISayAbhaktyarthaM kalpitam dSun, 04 Sep 2011 11:50:40 -0500Well, the tenth book of the Rig-Veda, where we have the first Varna ref., the Purusha Sukta, is thought by scholars to be no later than 1000 b.c.e., while Brhaspati's writings, the earliest to criticise the hierarchical birth-ghetto-izing jati dharmahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506144355#506144355Well, the tenth book of the Rig-Veda, where we have the first Varna ref., the Purusha Sukta, is thought by scholars to be no later than 1000 b.c.e., while Brhaspati's writings, the earliest to criticise the hierarchical birth-ghetto-izing jati dharmaFri, 02 Sep 2011 12:44:48 -0500As I said, the practice became prominent with the onset of Kali yuga. However, exact times and places can't be specified, at least I haven't seen such information.Everyone who knows what varnasrama dharma is opposes jati dharma because it's a degradehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506143269#506143269As I said, the practice became prominent with the onset of Kali yuga. However, exact times and places can't be specified, at least I haven't seen such information.Everyone who knows what varnasrama dharma is opposes jati dharma because it's a degradeFri, 02 Sep 2011 12:20:59 -0500Over the identical concern -- and a theoretical one? -- each and every time? The more it's referenced in the various texts, the odder it becomes. Anyway, you yourself concede a "tendency". Once we concede a tendency, we concede some practice, howehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506140773#506140773Over the identical concern -- and a theoretical one? -- each and every time? The more it's referenced in the various texts, the odder it becomes. Anyway, you yourself concede a "tendency". Once we concede a tendency, we concede some practice, howeFri, 02 Sep 2011 11:25:48 -0500Walther,I don't consider it odd coincidence. Vedic sastras are very thorough to avoid misinterpretation.It seems that the tendency to equate a son of brahmana parents with real brahmana etc. was always there since terms like dvija-bandhu or brahma-bahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506124599#506124599Walther,I don't consider it odd coincidence. Vedic sastras are very thorough to avoid misinterpretation.It seems that the tendency to equate a son of brahmana parents with real brahmana etc. was always there since terms like dvija-bandhu or brahma-baFri, 02 Sep 2011 03:08:39 -0500Isn't it an odd coincidence, though, that the Vajrasucika Upanisad, the Vasala Sutta and the Mahabharata should all inveigh against jati/birth determining one's varna? Why should three separate texts be so exercised over a mere theoretical potentialhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/51623/28210469/Origins_of_caste_system_and_its_many_forms?post_id=506101167#506101167Isn't it an odd coincidence, though, that the Vajrasucika Upanisad, the Vasala Sutta and the Mahabharata should all inveigh against jati/birth determining one's varna? Why should three separate texts be so exercised over a mere theoretical potentialThu, 01 Sep 2011 13:19:04 -0500