New Posts For Thread: Legal Issues Surrounding the Church and Proposition 8http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8Legal Issues Surrounding the Church and Proposition 8recent article from Mormon VoicesThanks Bill, I in no way wanted to develope a debate here but to bring more ideas to the front. The questions, of course, were from my own reasoning which my good Wife often has problems with. In my life at 73 I tend to simply follow Teddy Roosevelt:http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518194023#518194023Thanks Bill, I in no way wanted to develope a debate here but to bring more ideas to the front. The questions, of course, were from my own reasoning which my good Wife often has problems with. In my life at 73 I tend to simply follow Teddy Roosevelt:Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:13:08 -0500"1. How many here feel the Church and / or its members should simply give the great adversary a free hand to do what ever he feels like without taking a public stand against him?"Good people should never just let evil men, evil ideas or evil conditiohttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518161671#518161671"1. How many here feel the Church and / or its members should simply give the great adversary a free hand to do what ever he feels like without taking a public stand against him?"Good people should never just let evil men, evil ideas or evil conditioSun, 01 Apr 2012 12:22:05 -0500Jesse, I owe you an apology for my first attempt at an answer - which transfered more heat than light - as well as the unnecessary acrimony of my last line. I appreciate the service you have given to keep me and mine safe from harm, as well as the mhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518159047#518159047Jesse, I owe you an apology for my first attempt at an answer - which transfered more heat than light - as well as the unnecessary acrimony of my last line. I appreciate the service you have given to keep me and mine safe from harm, as well as the mSun, 01 Apr 2012 11:04:07 -0500Somehow I suspect that no one here suggests we give the great adversary a pass, no not even Bill. The question is what is the most effective opposition to offer said adversary and what is most consistent with the very articles of faith the church exhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518149539#518149539Somehow I suspect that no one here suggests we give the great adversary a pass, no not even Bill. The question is what is the most effective opposition to offer said adversary and what is most consistent with the very articles of faith the church exSun, 01 Apr 2012 05:35:24 -0500Bill, Thank you for your editorial. Forget about my bubble you seem to know so much about, and I know that I should have added a 4th question. “Who are my neighbors, and what do I owe them?” But I did not ask the questions as a debate jushttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518143887#518143887Bill, Thank you for your editorial. Forget about my bubble you seem to know so much about, and I know that I should have added a 4th question. “Who are my neighbors, and what do I owe them?” But I did not ask the questions as a debate jusSat, 31 Mar 2012 21:24:30 -0500Preaching repentance is one thing. Forcing people to live their lives according to your code of ethics is quite another.The world is teeming with evils - from human trafficking to genocide, from drug addiction to teen suicide, from political oppresshttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518142545#518142545Preaching repentance is one thing. Forcing people to live their lives according to your code of ethics is quite another.The world is teeming with evils - from human trafficking to genocide, from drug addiction to teen suicide, from political oppressSat, 31 Mar 2012 20:06:31 -0500When we were down on the right to full Church participation for black people, we thought we were doing the right thing - the Lord's will. In taking up the crusade against gay people being able to be married by their own choice, we think we are doinghttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518113235#518113235When we were down on the right to full Church participation for black people, we thought we were doing the right thing - the Lord's will. In taking up the crusade against gay people being able to be married by their own choice, we think we are doingSat, 31 Mar 2012 00:23:42 -05001. How many here feel the Church and / or its members should simply give the great adversary a free hand to do what ever he feels like without taking a public stand against him?2. How many here feel we should take a stand but not creat any fuss?3. Hohttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518112787#5181127871. How many here feel the Church and / or its members should simply give the great adversary a free hand to do what ever he feels like without taking a public stand against him?2. How many here feel we should take a stand but not creat any fuss?3. HoFri, 30 Mar 2012 23:39:20 -0500That $5,000+ fine was certainly worth it to resolve these 13 counts. Bet the Church is glad to have that behind them. It had to be embarrassing from the standpoint of the Church's initial claim that it made no contributions whatsoever.Hopefully wehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518111563#518111563That $5,000+ fine was certainly worth it to resolve these 13 counts. Bet the Church is glad to have that behind them. It had to be embarrassing from the standpoint of the Church's initial claim that it made no contributions whatsoever.Hopefully weFri, 30 Mar 2012 21:57:16 -0500Legal Issues Surrounding the Church and Proposition 8recent article from Mormon Voiceshttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44071/29032593/Legal_Issues_Surrounding_the_Church_and_Proposition_8?post_id=518083543#518083543Legal Issues Surrounding the Church and Proposition 8recent article from Mormon VoicesFri, 30 Mar 2012 05:01:09 -0500