New Posts For Thread: UN Committee Concludes Israeli System Tantamount to Apartheidhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_ApartheidSomething the world has known for a long time but some have refused to recognise especially in the U.S.www.badil.org/en/al-majdal/item/1763-art...Miraj,I think that your example about the Black Caucus supported my point. The black representatives seem to be more interested in blackness than in organizing to get government goods and services for their constituents. In much the same way, the Arahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520330177#520330177Miraj,I think that your example about the Black Caucus supported my point. The black representatives seem to be more interested in blackness than in organizing to get government goods and services for their constituents. In much the same way, the AraFri, 01 Jun 2012 11:56:13 -0500Miraj,There are all sorts of public opinion polls and in my opinion, though they may indicate something, nothing is certain until people are faced with real decisions. You have re-framed the issue into whether or not Israeli Arabs want to move to thehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520329997#520329997Miraj,There are all sorts of public opinion polls and in my opinion, though they may indicate something, nothing is certain until people are faced with real decisions. You have re-framed the issue into whether or not Israeli Arabs want to move to theFri, 01 Jun 2012 11:50:26 -0500You are correct of course. As I mentioned in my last post, even the far left in Israel has mostly given up on that. On that note, this will be my last post for a while as I'll be moving whereas I have only limited access to a computer. May you andhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520328601#520328601You are correct of course. As I mentioned in my last post, even the far left in Israel has mostly given up on that. On that note, this will be my last post for a while as I'll be moving whereas I have only limited access to a computer. May you andFri, 01 Jun 2012 11:06:47 -0500VRAThere is a serious lack of sincerity on the Arab Palestinian side. The calls for a "One State Solution" are merely a manifestation of the lack of a sincere interest in a peaceful resolution. At best, it reflects the Arab Palestinians recognition thttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520328349#520328349VRAThere is a serious lack of sincerity on the Arab Palestinian side. The calls for a "One State Solution" are merely a manifestation of the lack of a sincere interest in a peaceful resolution. At best, it reflects the Arab Palestinians recognition tFri, 01 Jun 2012 11:00:21 -0500Simply put. If there was peace between Israel and the Palestinians, discrimination within Israel would begin to dissipate. It is fear and mistrust that creates any existing discrimination and the Palestinians have perpetuated this by their refusalhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520327993#520327993Simply put. If there was peace between Israel and the Palestinians, discrimination within Israel would begin to dissipate. It is fear and mistrust that creates any existing discrimination and the Palestinians have perpetuated this by their refusalFri, 01 Jun 2012 10:52:47 -0500[/quote]Four quick points and I'm moving on. One is that, to repeat, you cannot logically call a poll "skewed" unless you can produce counter polls to indicate otherwise, so all you're doing is just blowing smoke. Second, you make another wild accusahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520327345#520327345[/quote]Four quick points and I'm moving on. One is that, to repeat, you cannot logically call a poll "skewed" unless you can produce counter polls to indicate otherwise, so all you're doing is just blowing smoke. Second, you make another wild accusaFri, 01 Jun 2012 10:37:23 -0500http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520325493#520325493Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:53:51 -0500A little more freedom and a little more wealth (Arabs are among the poorest and worst educated Israelis), isn't all that. Besides, knowing lots of Israeli Arabs and what they tell you themselves is far more enlightening than reading a skewed poll anhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520325061#520325061A little more freedom and a little more wealth (Arabs are among the poorest and worst educated Israelis), isn't all that. Besides, knowing lots of Israeli Arabs and what they tell you themselves is far more enlightening than reading a skewed poll anFri, 01 Jun 2012 09:42:54 -0500ID politics is not about representing one's constituants, and trap of ID politics has become readily evident in the US. There are caucus groups in the US Congress that have so lost sight of their purpose for being in Congress that their racial polithttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520324307#520324307ID politics is not about representing one's constituants, and trap of ID politics has become readily evident in the US. There are caucus groups in the US Congress that have so lost sight of their purpose for being in Congress that their racial politFri, 01 Jun 2012 09:21:04 -0500Sherri,Anything the current UN does is suspect and should not be taken as Gospel. Today, and for the past few decades the UN has been one of the biggest promoters of dictatorial regimes and their oppressive policies. Habesorhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/29144227/UN_Committee_Concludes_Israeli_System_Tantamount_to_Apartheid?post_id=520322667#520322667Sherri,Anything the current UN does is suspect and should not be taken as Gospel. Today, and for the past few decades the UN has been one of the biggest promoters of dictatorial regimes and their oppressive policies. HabesorFri, 01 Jun 2012 08:37:00 -0500