New Posts For Thread: Why Can't US Zionists Admit that Zionism Is a Supremacist Ideology? - Ayad Gharbawihttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_GharbawiIt is your right to believe any nonsense you wish. Your belief in nonsense does not make it true.If you ever bother to actually go to Israel you will notice that persons of all religious and ethnic backgrounds live and prosper in Israel. People of alZionism, as a political ideology, didn't exist in the communities of 1700. Religious zionism DID exist, but because there was no political sense of "znti-Zionism" or a claim that a political state should or should not exist, there can be no specifichttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399296057#399296057Zionism, as a political ideology, didn't exist in the communities of 1700. Religious zionism DID exist, but because there was no political sense of "znti-Zionism" or a claim that a political state should or should not exist, there can be no specificSat, 13 Mar 2010 20:12:35 -0600Last time... take the theological stuff to a board where it belongs. I'm all in favor of debating theology and reigious history. This IS after all BELIEFNET! But this is a news and politics board!I'll simply begin deleting posts henceforth that are ohttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399291733#399291733Last time... take the theological stuff to a board where it belongs. I'm all in favor of debating theology and reigious history. This IS after all BELIEFNET! But this is a news and politics board!I'll simply begin deleting posts henceforth that are oSat, 13 Mar 2010 19:33:18 -0600Ricky, I think that's an extremely odd way to approach the situation. You are seeking information about Jewish religious thought, are you not? And FFB is a Rabbi, which does indeed make him some 'authority' on the topic - whether or not one shareshttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399291609#399291609Ricky, I think that's an extremely odd way to approach the situation. You are seeking information about Jewish religious thought, are you not? And FFB is a Rabbi, which does indeed make him some 'authority' on the topic - whether or not one sharesSat, 13 Mar 2010 19:32:02 -0600I'll repeat what I said before: "I am looking for sources which addressed this matter over the course of many centuries and paticularly Sefardic sources. "Again, what I want from you is Sefardic sources which discussed the issue of "Zionism" over thehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399286377#399286377I'll repeat what I said before: "I am looking for sources which addressed this matter over the course of many centuries and paticularly Sefardic sources. "Again, what I want from you is Sefardic sources which discussed the issue of "Zionism" over theSat, 13 Mar 2010 18:45:08 -0600so your expertise also now applies to which Jewish thinkers are qualified to discuss elements of Jewish law based on your assessment. Soloveitchik isn't historical enough (which a religious Jew would think is ahilarious statement) the Rambam's statemhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399282369#399282369so your expertise also now applies to which Jewish thinkers are qualified to discuss elements of Jewish law based on your assessment. Soloveitchik isn't historical enough (which a religious Jew would think is ahilarious statement) the Rambam's statemSat, 13 Mar 2010 18:11:03 -0600Fascinating as much of the recent posts are, they really belong on th Discuss Judaism Board. So, please take similar posts to that board and stay on topic here.thanks.Rangerken, Beliefnet Community Moderatorhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399204817#399204817Fascinating as much of the recent posts are, they really belong on th Discuss Judaism Board. So, please take similar posts to that board and stay on topic here.thanks.Rangerken, Beliefnet Community ModeratorFri, 12 Mar 2010 23:10:32 -0600Of the sources you listed, Kol Dodi Dofek, by Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik, zt"l, ramban, avni nezer, and mahral, I am only familiar with ramban or Maimonides. During the persecution he choose exile to Morocco but did not begin any form of "Zionist" rehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399189477#399189477Of the sources you listed, Kol Dodi Dofek, by Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik, zt"l, ramban, avni nezer, and mahral, I am only familiar with ramban or Maimonides. During the persecution he choose exile to Morocco but did not begin any form of "Zionist" reFri, 12 Mar 2010 20:21:52 -0600So you won't want to read Kol Dodi Dofek, by Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik, zt"lbut you can feel free to investigate mitzvat yishuv eretz yisroel and study the pischei tshuva's explanation of being mekayem a mitzvah bmiktzas.You can also go back in to thttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399113105#399113105So you won't want to read Kol Dodi Dofek, by Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik, zt"lbut you can feel free to investigate mitzvat yishuv eretz yisroel and study the pischei tshuva's explanation of being mekayem a mitzvah bmiktzas.You can also go back in to tFri, 12 Mar 2010 05:50:37 -0600Ricky, please stop that. We KNOW all 12 tribes are chosen. You stand OUTside the Jewish People - what you're doing here is like me....insisting that all you Christians should name Judas as one of the Apostles, and yelling at you every time you don'http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399100637#399100637Ricky, please stop that. We KNOW all 12 tribes are chosen. You stand OUTside the Jewish People - what you're doing here is like me....insisting that all you Christians should name Judas as one of the Apostles, and yelling at you every time you don'Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:25:35 -0600Ricky, I don't know where you are getting your statistics from. But you're mistaken if you think the Satmar and NK are 'Orthodox': they aren't. They're what's known as 'ultra-orthodox' - FLDS would be a Christian approximation in many ways, I thhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/44011/22069937/Why_Cant_US_Zionists_Admit_that_Zionism_Is_a_Supremacist_Ideology_-_Ayad_Gharbawi?post_id=399099621#399099621Ricky, I don't know where you are getting your statistics from. But you're mistaken if you think the Satmar and NK are 'Orthodox': they aren't. They're what's known as 'ultra-orthodox' - FLDS would be a Christian approximation in many ways, I thFri, 12 Mar 2010 00:10:55 -0600