New Posts For Thread: Materialism vs Idealismhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_IdealismMaterialism vs Idealism I will take the side of Idealism as I understand it. But first let me state my understanding of Materialism. Materialism: The doctrine of reality that there is only one primary property of reality which is extension and many dJimBut that does nor mean that they don't exist.They exist indeed but simply as a kaleidoscope of views on advantage and disadvantage, with no single meaning. Forty people may have forty views on the goodness or badness of the one event, and all ofhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=504136427#504136427JimBut that does nor mean that they don't exist.They exist indeed but simply as a kaleidoscope of views on advantage and disadvantage, with no single meaning. Forty people may have forty views on the goodness or badness of the one event, and all ofThu, 04 Aug 2011 19:09:42 -0500As you point out, some things can only be judged subjectively. Goodness, beauty, perhaps even truth, are subjective. They depend on the individual and perhaps even in the context of the surroundings. But that does nor mean that they don't exist.http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=504115949#504115949As you point out, some things can only be judged subjectively. Goodness, beauty, perhaps even truth, are subjective. They depend on the individual and perhaps even in the context of the surroundings. But that does nor mean that they don't exist.Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:11:17 -0500Aw come on blu, we all want to marry a good woman, we want good government. Aren't the qualities of sincerity,honesty,self-control, truthfulness,good to cultivate or practice?http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=504113891#504113891Aw come on blu, we all want to marry a good woman, we want good government. Aren't the qualities of sincerity,honesty,self-control, truthfulness,good to cultivate or practice?Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:31:09 -0500willieThere's no such single thing as goodness. Your good may be bad for me or vice versa. Our good may be bad for dolphins and vice versa. When Freda leaves Fred that may be bad for Fred but good for Freda or vice versa. The great majority of juhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=504094773#504094773willieThere's no such single thing as goodness. Your good may be bad for me or vice versa. Our good may be bad for dolphins and vice versa. When Freda leaves Fred that may be bad for Fred but good for Freda or vice versa. The great majority of juThu, 04 Aug 2011 01:33:59 -0500Blu, people don't credit Donald Duck with the development of their conscience. A change of heart is something experienced in an religious experience. Can you define the quality of goodness through chemicals?http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=504087417#504087417Blu, people don't credit Donald Duck with the development of their conscience. A change of heart is something experienced in an religious experience. Can you define the quality of goodness through chemicals?Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:14:33 -0500ncghow do YOU KNOW - something non-physical did not occur?I know supernatural beings didn't cause it in the same way I know Donald Duck didn't cause it.http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=503994227#503994227ncghow do YOU KNOW - something non-physical did not occur?I know supernatural beings didn't cause it in the same way I know Donald Duck didn't cause it.Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:37:15 -0500Blu,You claim there is nothing that happens from an "above'' normal event. If someone's heart is changed - how do YOU KNOW - something non-physical did not occur? Your answer is circular - it can't be supernatural because -- nothing is supernaturahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=503975333#503975333Blu,You claim there is nothing that happens from an "above'' normal event. If someone's heart is changed - how do YOU KNOW - something non-physical did not occur? Your answer is circular - it can't be supernatural because -- nothing is supernaturaMon, 01 Aug 2011 14:52:19 -0500ncgThat is surely true - if the definition of "supernatural" is left to you.No, it's true whether I'm involved or not.On the other hand - Jesus Christ claims to help people be "reborn" as moral individuals. Moral individuals being those whose pragmahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=503263757#503263757ncgThat is surely true - if the definition of "supernatural" is left to you.No, it's true whether I'm involved or not.On the other hand - Jesus Christ claims to help people be "reborn" as moral individuals. Moral individuals being those whose pragmaFri, 22 Jul 2011 19:22:18 -0500Blu,That is surely true - if the definition of "supernatural" is left to you.On the other hand - Jesus Christ claims to help people be "reborn" as moral individuals. Moral individuals being those whose pragmatic actions help lift those who are in nehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=503208417#503208417Blu,That is surely true - if the definition of "supernatural" is left to you.On the other hand - Jesus Christ claims to help people be "reborn" as moral individuals. Moral individuals being those whose pragmatic actions help lift those who are in neFri, 22 Jul 2011 09:16:08 -0500TransJThis debate between Materialism and Idealism:This is a comparison of my materialism, which I've defined, and your idealism, which I still don't understand except in the negative sense that it's not classical idealism. Kant had said that the mihttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/27935905/Materialism_vs_Idealism?post_id=503168169#503168169TransJThis debate between Materialism and Idealism:This is a comparison of my materialism, which I've defined, and your idealism, which I still don't understand except in the negative sense that it's not classical idealism. Kant had said that the miThu, 21 Jul 2011 20:28:07 -0500