New Posts For Thread: Social construction of realityhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_realityWas struck by this passage and was wondering how others reacted to it:'...It will be enough, for our purposes, to define 'reality' as a quality appertaining to phenomena that we recognize as having a being independent of our own volition (we cannot 'KWThe question isn't how you investigate patriarchy. You can read lots of descriptions of patriarchy and its mechanisms, lots of books on the experience, the benefits, the problems, the whatever of patriarchy.The question is, what qualities of humanhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=448264969#448264969KWThe question isn't how you investigate patriarchy. You can read lots of descriptions of patriarchy and its mechanisms, lots of books on the experience, the benefits, the problems, the whatever of patriarchy.The question is, what qualities of humanWed, 19 May 2010 20:16:33 -0500One does not investigate social phenomena. The best one can do is observe, and perhaps make judgments on whether one wishes to incorporate that social phenomenon in an ideal society that one chooses for one's own. Like it or not patriarchy is. Athttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=448231741#448231741One does not investigate social phenomena. The best one can do is observe, and perhaps make judgments on whether one wishes to incorporate that social phenomenon in an ideal society that one chooses for one's own. Like it or not patriarchy is. AtWed, 19 May 2010 16:23:33 -0500Why should I care about your and wiki's useless straw about idealism. It died with God and Descartes. There is clearly a distinction between observable reality, and the symbolic realm of ideas created by (material) human minds, either our own or ohttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=448226185#448226185Why should I care about your and wiki's useless straw about idealism. It died with God and Descartes. There is clearly a distinction between observable reality, and the symbolic realm of ideas created by (material) human minds, either our own or oWed, 19 May 2010 15:49:24 -0500And how would you investigate patriarchy?And how would someone who approved of patriarchy investiage patriarchy?And how would we know which of those two investigations were 'more' 'right' than the other?http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=448175293#448175293And how would you investigate patriarchy?And how would someone who approved of patriarchy investiage patriarchy?And how would we know which of those two investigations were 'more' 'right' than the other?Wed, 19 May 2010 10:23:24 -0500KWI'd say we're born equipped to perceive and interpret the external world in particular ways and we therefore perceive it and interpret it in those ways.We don't interpret our perceptions on our own. When we're tiny, we interpret them first as our mhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=443960661#443960661KWI'd say we're born equipped to perceive and interpret the external world in particular ways and we therefore perceive it and interpret it in those ways.We don't interpret our perceptions on our own. When we're tiny, we interpret them first as our mTue, 18 May 2010 20:52:25 -0500J'Carlin (Who is not the host) That (so far ...) is what I would call "healthy realism"! even Thomas Aquinas would be pleased ... I am afraid you have a rather naive notion of what idealism (see at Wikipedia) is about (something like "what has cleahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=441083849#441083849J'Carlin (Who is not the host) That (so far ...) is what I would call "healthy realism"! even Thomas Aquinas would be pleased ... I am afraid you have a rather naive notion of what idealism (see at Wikipedia) is about (something like "what has cleaTue, 18 May 2010 12:35:13 -0500It is only a trilemma if one assumes that they are mutually exclusive. There seems to be no reason not to deal with the material world, that which we can experience with our senses as in fact material. It exists whether we sense it or not. I don'thttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=440887121#440887121It is only a trilemma if one assumes that they are mutually exclusive. There seems to be no reason not to deal with the material world, that which we can experience with our senses as in fact material. It exists whether we sense it or not. I don'tTue, 18 May 2010 12:05:45 -0500I agree with ( The Late ) Anais Nin --"We don't see Things the way THEY are, rather we see things the Way WE are ... "It's like that ...http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=440744165#440744165I agree with ( The Late ) Anais Nin --"We don't see Things the way THEY are, rather we see things the Way WE are ... "It's like that ...Tue, 18 May 2010 11:42:24 -0500But is it not reasonable to define your axioms as being independent of your volition. They are certainly not influenced by any reasonable or unreasonable challenges by others, and you do not seem to be able to evaluate them in any reasonable way. Chttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=440669537#440669537But is it not reasonable to define your axioms as being independent of your volition. They are certainly not influenced by any reasonable or unreasonable challenges by others, and you do not seem to be able to evaluate them in any reasonable way. CTue, 18 May 2010 11:31:21 -0500To provide a more charitable interpretation of the above, what the authors are aiming at is the ways in which we construct our social reality.They aren't speaking to the external validity of that perceived reality, only how it is constructed.For insthttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43991/24074677/Social_construction_of_reality?post_id=438464909#438464909To provide a more charitable interpretation of the above, what the authors are aiming at is the ways in which we construct our social reality.They aren't speaking to the external validity of that perceived reality, only how it is constructed.For instTue, 18 May 2010 06:13:36 -0500