New Posts For Thread: your existance is what, withoutthe body? is this not an imprtant question being that you will die?http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_dieDoes our species know something about death that its not telling itself?Do you know something about death that your not telling yourselfwhat other reason would cause us to be so dame calm about it?What do you know about your death that isn't causingWe agree on morals and the human condition to some extent but not on Jesus.I see him as an archetypal figure. Not real.[I too find a different character Religion shaped him into than what his own words portray. And I don't confuse the two. For insthttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=295714438#295714438We agree on morals and the human condition to some extent but not on Jesus.I see him as an archetypal figure. Not real.[I too find a different character Religion shaped him into than what his own words portray. And I don't confuse the two. For instMon, 01 Jun 2009 09:51:34 -0500We agree on morals and the human condition to some extent but not on Jesus.I see him as an archetypal figure. Not real.The idea of a God needing to find a human virgin to reproduce a son is just silly. If Jesus is part of the trinity then He, as parthttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=293643846#293643846We agree on morals and the human condition to some extent but not on Jesus.I see him as an archetypal figure. Not real.The idea of a God needing to find a human virgin to reproduce a son is just silly. If Jesus is part of the trinity then He, as partThu, 21 May 2009 15:18:44 -0500Agreed. I think that's part of what bugs me with the standard view of religion, that Jesus died because of our sin.I think he was tortured and murdered by the state at the relentless insistance of his own religion's leaders.I don't think he came tohttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=293235896#293235896Agreed. I think that's part of what bugs me with the standard view of religion, that Jesus died because of our sin.I think he was tortured and murdered by the state at the relentless insistance of his own religion's leaders.I don't think he came toWed, 20 May 2009 09:36:33 -0500Any man who did not question strongly the notion of needing a blood sacrifice to appease a God would be foolish not to do so. God does not need a blood sacrifice and would likely reject is as a barbaric scapegoat. This is the moral stance to take. Rhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=292956099#292956099Any man who did not question strongly the notion of needing a blood sacrifice to appease a God would be foolish not to do so. God does not need a blood sacrifice and would likely reject is as a barbaric scapegoat. This is the moral stance to take. RTue, 19 May 2009 10:32:02 -0500I think we are expressing very similar ideas. I like your take. As far as the God of Abraham...I believe in the harvesting all that's good, true, and ripe! I value guidance and order, but not to levels of bondage. I won't try to box others in andhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=292708495#292708495I think we are expressing very similar ideas. I like your take. As far as the God of Abraham...I believe in the harvesting all that's good, true, and ripe! I value guidance and order, but not to levels of bondage. I won't try to box others in andMon, 18 May 2009 05:55:45 -0500We define the souls differently but the purpose is the same. No problem there. You, I hope, do nor believe in the Bible God do you? Your Abraham ref indicates that you might. RegardsDLhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=291579789#291579789We define the souls differently but the purpose is the same. No problem there. You, I hope, do nor believe in the Bible God do you? Your Abraham ref indicates that you might. RegardsDLWed, 13 May 2009 08:12:36 -0500Could be. I see the soul as beyond permanent. "Before Abraham, I Am", declaired Christ. I just don't see it as apart from the oneness of being, but part of. All the glimpses the many have known throughout time together reveals All. Jesus said tohttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=291139789#291139789Could be. I see the soul as beyond permanent. "Before Abraham, I Am", declaired Christ. I just don't see it as apart from the oneness of being, but part of. All the glimpses the many have known throughout time together reveals All. Jesus said toMon, 11 May 2009 13:30:16 -0500The way I see things, there is no permanent soul.What is of importance is the information we gather and what we are. The I, so to speak. I see the soul as an invisible fiber optic cable that at death, and on rare occasions while alive, does a quick dhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=290202386#290202386The way I see things, there is no permanent soul.What is of importance is the information we gather and what we are. The I, so to speak. I see the soul as an invisible fiber optic cable that at death, and on rare occasions while alive, does a quick dThu, 07 May 2009 05:45:39 -0500We are not our bodies, they are living vehicles to experience this realm, neither are we the mind, which is a tool for transcendence. Both the body and the mind can imprison the soul, if they are treated as who we are.If we are not the body, then thhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=290201223#290201223We are not our bodies, they are living vehicles to experience this realm, neither are we the mind, which is a tool for transcendence. Both the body and the mind can imprison the soul, if they are treated as who we are.If we are not the body, then thThu, 07 May 2009 05:02:56 -0500That would depend on what you think is on the other side.If you are surounded by virgins with no bodies then I woild think it a frustrating life.Having touched the mind of God the one time, I can tell you that existence without a body is not bad in thttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43861/14004691/your_existance_is_what,_withoutthe_body_is_this_not_an_imprtant_question_being_that_you_will_die?post_id=280915483#280915483That would depend on what you think is on the other side.If you are surounded by virgins with no bodies then I woild think it a frustrating life.Having touched the mind of God the one time, I can tell you that existence without a body is not bad in tThu, 26 Mar 2009 14:45:09 -0500