New Posts For Thread: Why freewill is an illusion.http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.Sam Harris makes a compelling case in his book 'Free Will' about it being an illusion.For example this argument:[edit: oh, jeez, can't you link to images?? Here's the link then: IMAGE OF THE EXTRACT - I'm too lazy to type the whole text ... and tooAnd WHY didn't you chose to act differently?[/quote]STILL NOT RELEVANT.[/quote]Wrong. It IS relevant. It's CRUCIAL actually. So please try to answer the question or admit that you're afraid to do so because of the consequences for your argument.http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521689375#521689375And WHY didn't you chose to act differently?[/quote]STILL NOT RELEVANT.[/quote]Wrong. It IS relevant. It's CRUCIAL actually. So please try to answer the question or admit that you're afraid to do so because of the consequences for your argument.Mon, 09 Jul 2012 02:42:47 -0500But at the time you weren't aware that the option you 'chose' was a stupid one and that there was a better one out there, right? But if you were aware of this then why didn't you act differently?[/quote]Because we chose not to act differently.[/quotehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521681063#521681063But at the time you weren't aware that the option you 'chose' was a stupid one and that there was a better one out there, right? But if you were aware of this then why didn't you act differently?[/quote]Because we chose not to act differently.[/quoteSun, 08 Jul 2012 17:04:17 -0500But at the time you weren't aware that the option you 'chose' was a stupid one and that there was a better one out there, right? But if you were aware of this then why didn't you act differently?[/quote]Because we chose not to act differently.[/quotehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521660443#521660443But at the time you weren't aware that the option you 'chose' was a stupid one and that there was a better one out there, right? But if you were aware of this then why didn't you act differently?[/quote]Because we chose not to act differently.[/quoteSun, 08 Jul 2012 06:49:31 -0500But at the time you weren't aware that the option you 'chose' was a stupid one and that there was a better one out there, right? But if you were aware of this then why didn't you act differently?[/quote]Because we chose not to act differently.http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521602435#521602435But at the time you weren't aware that the option you 'chose' was a stupid one and that there was a better one out there, right? But if you were aware of this then why didn't you act differently?[/quote]Because we chose not to act differently.Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:39:23 -0500But at the time you weren't aware that the option you 'chose' was a stupid one and that there was a better one out there, right? But if you were aware of this then why didn't you act differently?http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521593371#521593371But at the time you weren't aware that the option you 'chose' was a stupid one and that there was a better one out there, right? But if you were aware of this then why didn't you act differently?Fri, 06 Jul 2012 02:42:09 -0500And how do you determine how to act? You try to figure out how that will make you FEEL.If you disagree then go out and punch a kid in the face for no reason. If you don't want to do that please explain why.I would not say that we're 'stupid', I wouldhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521582549#521582549And how do you determine how to act? You try to figure out how that will make you FEEL.If you disagree then go out and punch a kid in the face for no reason. If you don't want to do that please explain why.I would not say that we're 'stupid', I wouldThu, 05 Jul 2012 16:22:29 -0500Yeah right, the drink made me do it--about as lame as the devil made me do. Rational people refuse to allow them to escape their responsiblity by such a lame excuse, and they should refuse to let them escape responsibility--because they still had ahttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521582361#521582361Yeah right, the drink made me do it--about as lame as the devil made me do. Rational people refuse to allow them to escape their responsiblity by such a lame excuse, and they should refuse to let them escape responsibility--because they still had aThu, 05 Jul 2012 16:16:43 -0500And how do you determine how to act? You try to figure out how that will make you FEEL.If you disagree then go out and punch a kid in the face for no reason. If you don't want to do that please explain why.I would not say that we're 'stupid', I wouldhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521560941#521560941And how do you determine how to act? You try to figure out how that will make you FEEL.If you disagree then go out and punch a kid in the face for no reason. If you don't want to do that please explain why.I would not say that we're 'stupid', I wouldThu, 05 Jul 2012 02:35:35 -0500The most frequent reason for doingstupid things is that we allow our emotions to overule our reason. Add a couple of drinks to the recipe and everyone's stupidity increases. But it is all physical and mental. No free will involved; just acting "http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521552461#521552461The most frequent reason for doingstupid things is that we allow our emotions to overule our reason. Add a couple of drinks to the recipe and everyone's stupidity increases. But it is all physical and mental. No free will involved; just acting "Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:23:01 -0500It has EVERYTHING to do with how we well (or think we'll feel).Tell me: given the Good Samaritan's worldview and ethical values how would he have felt if he hadn't helped?And why do you do things then that don't make you pleased with yourself?[/quotehttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/29164113/Why_freewill_is_an_illusion.?post_id=521551159#521551159It has EVERYTHING to do with how we well (or think we'll feel).Tell me: given the Good Samaritan's worldview and ethical values how would he have felt if he hadn't helped?And why do you do things then that don't make you pleased with yourself?[/quoteWed, 04 Jul 2012 15:36:07 -0500