New Posts For Thread: Pope adding fuel to the divisiveness fires in the church?http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_churchThis is the LAST thing that is needed. From today's Tablet. Pope calls for ‘fraternal correction'8 February 2012Pope Benedict XVI has urged Catholics to rediscover the ancient practice of "admonishing sinners" this Lent, saying it is a "dimensiI agree with the Pope and in the spirit of "Fraternal correction" let me admonish the bishops for participating in international child abuse and the people that enable the abuse or justify it such as bishop Egan who is rewriting history and posters thttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516219331#516219331I agree with the Pope and in the spirit of "Fraternal correction" let me admonish the bishops for participating in international child abuse and the people that enable the abuse or justify it such as bishop Egan who is rewriting history and posters tSat, 11 Feb 2012 09:22:43 -0600ACM:Oh,no. It was in convents (Chapter of Faults) and in seminaries/monasteries. However, it was 'gender specific'. No crossing of 'fraternal correction', probably for some pretty obvious reasons.And the presentation in "The Nun's Story" was accurhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516163071#516163071ACM:Oh,no. It was in convents (Chapter of Faults) and in seminaries/monasteries. However, it was 'gender specific'. No crossing of 'fraternal correction', probably for some pretty obvious reasons.And the presentation in "The Nun's Story" was accurThu, 09 Feb 2012 20:54:45 -0600ACM:Oh,no. It was in convents (Chapter of Faults) and in seminaries/monasteries. However, it was 'gender specific'. No crossing of 'fraternal correction', probably for some pretty obvious reasons.And the presentation in "The Nun's Story" was accurhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516160789#516160789ACM:Oh,no. It was in convents (Chapter of Faults) and in seminaries/monasteries. However, it was 'gender specific'. No crossing of 'fraternal correction', probably for some pretty obvious reasons.And the presentation in "The Nun's Story" was accurThu, 09 Feb 2012 19:06:42 -0600Hewy, interesting note here. Was this kind of ‘charitable’ correction something only found within the male community. I recall that film ‘The Nun’s Story’ (Audrey Hepburn) - and how at one point (or am I mixing it up whttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516154965#516154965Hewy, interesting note here. Was this kind of ‘charitable’ correction something only found within the male community. I recall that film ‘The Nun’s Story’ (Audrey Hepburn) - and how at one point (or am I mixing it up wThu, 09 Feb 2012 16:09:45 -0600Despite what I'm sure are the fervent wishes of those who wish for nothing to change in the church save for a return to some prior period of power and glory, these stories continue to pour out. The names of countries where the scandal is playing outhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516139499#516139499Despite what I'm sure are the fervent wishes of those who wish for nothing to change in the church save for a return to some prior period of power and glory, these stories continue to pour out. The names of countries where the scandal is playing outThu, 09 Feb 2012 09:22:08 -0600ADM: I said on another thread that my seminary recollection of 'fraternal correction' is not a good one, for several reasons. For one, this simply continues the climate of clericalism--only men (fraternal) are allowed to opportunity to correct.Secondhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516138367#516138367ADM: I said on another thread that my seminary recollection of 'fraternal correction' is not a good one, for several reasons. For one, this simply continues the climate of clericalism--only men (fraternal) are allowed to opportunity to correct.SecondThu, 09 Feb 2012 08:55:32 -0600How and where do we perform this exercise in fraternal correction? By e-mail? Newspaper columns? Gossip? Letters? Face-to-face encounters? Telegrams? Pigeon-post? Letters with a second class stamp? Down the phone line? Text? Mobile? Twitter?http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516131595#516131595How and where do we perform this exercise in fraternal correction? By e-mail? Newspaper columns? Gossip? Letters? Face-to-face encounters? Telegrams? Pigeon-post? Letters with a second class stamp? Down the phone line? Text? Mobile? Twitter?Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:22:44 -0600I don't think Benedict is actually making a good suggestion at all, even aside from the very real situation you describe - that the hierarchy, including Benedict, have shown themselves totally incapable of "fraternal correction." This conference inhttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516125221#516125221I don't think Benedict is actually making a good suggestion at all, even aside from the very real situation you describe - that the hierarchy, including Benedict, have shown themselves totally incapable of "fraternal correction." This conference inWed, 08 Feb 2012 22:20:13 -0600Jane, WavOn one level, I think Benedict really is on to something here. But I also think the man has completely and totally blown all of his credibility on this very point, for two reasons.The first is that it clearly has NOT worked among his bishophttp://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516122701#516122701Jane, WavOn one level, I think Benedict really is on to something here. But I also think the man has completely and totally blown all of his credibility on this very point, for two reasons.The first is that it clearly has NOT worked among his bishopWed, 08 Feb 2012 20:21:16 -0600Gee, it's worked SO effectively among the bishops with regard to their handling of abuse cases...[/quote]Love and need a good dose of irony, Mo.http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/28905495/Pope_adding_fuel_to_the_divisiveness_fires_in_the_church?post_id=516118901#516118901Gee, it's worked SO effectively among the bishops with regard to their handling of abuse cases...[/quote]Love and need a good dose of irony, Mo.Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:24:11 -0600