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PASSING OVER
2nd Cor. 5:7-10*(8)***Ecc. 12:6&7**The spirit returns to God who gave it.Where in that verse does anyone see death of the spirit?The breath of life came from God and, all souls belong to God.There is no getting around to giving it to him(Eze.18:4).There is only what one choses to embrace-Death which is Satan (Heb. 2:14)the 2nd death is HELL(lake of fire) and to be void of God's presence!-or Life which is God.Compare to COMMON rapture theory!*Ez.13:20 , Many scriptures tell us of the duties of the elect of the time of the anti so why would they fly away before then?Also , we are told that the anti is next so why would we expect to fly away before then?Also if your congregations are teaching such you will be among those that are first to leave the field (Luke17:36)and if you go back to vs. 23(*20-23)you see that is a grave mistake!Matt.24:4-51*****Therefore those that teach the common rapture theory are teaching their congregations to worship Satan when he comes that he will take them away!Those are the ones that will betray even their family members onto the anti and say they don't believe you are who you say you are please help them to see. All will be delivered up unto him and the elect have a duty at that time!What is your responses to this?
The 7th trumpet also gives those that embrace truth a way of knowing the true from the falseAt the 7th trumpet all in the flesh shed the flesh and are in only spiritual bodies.We have a spirit body and a physical body(1st Cor.15:44)The flesh is corruptable!The spirit is incorruptable(1st Cor15:51-58!)At death or the 7th trumpet some will put on immortality(1st resurrection).Others don't make the first resurrection at death and most who are in the flesh at the 7th trumpet.They are on the other side a paradise(they have taken a part in the first death (Heb.9:27)but not the first resurection!They will either take part in the second death or the second resurection!(Matt.24:31/Rev.11:15).Such is to be precieved and understood in truth of THE SPIRIT!Not to be rationalized through traditions of man(Mark 7:13)(Rom.11:8)(2nd Cor.11:3)
Luke 16:19-31-The gulf is very real!One side is the place of those that took part in the first resurrection after leaving the flesh.The other side is for those who didn't take part in the first resurrection after leaving the flesh!The 2nd death and or 2nd resurrection doesn't take place until after the end of the millennium.Some that follow the rapture THEORY try to throw out the message of this scripture by saying it is only a parable!
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To any that think this is but a parable, the subject is still the same!Plus these were real people!Abraham and so on..!Theses are real events, Parables have both a spiritual and physical side.Parables are factual not falsehoods!Look at any of them!EX. the soils(seeds)This teaches of the seeds and their effects in different soils and souls!Both happen and a very real!To say that is a parable when all the word has a spiritual and physcial level does not throw that scripture by the way side or make it void. Traditions of man does that in ones walk! (Mark 7:13) I think it is necessary to list our sources of documentation in this thread seeing as some versions twist the word to embrace the rapture and Satan!I'm documenting from the original KJV!Which is more closely related to the originals!Also the Goodspeed Apocrypha is a good source to get into on these subjects!***1st Cor 15:12?-19!
******************1st Thes.4:13*-18*-Personally I don't know how those that don't accept this sleep at night if they have ever lost a loved one and feel they are in their graves!That isn't what God would have you know!(vs.13) Asleep-for those who have a strongs #2837 Greek-To be physicaly dead-PASSED OVER. (14) sleep in Jesus-Those that find rest in Christ!(15) We shall not prevent them!WHY cause they have already Gone to one side or the other of the Gulf!They go through what all do at the 7th trumpet.Which is described in the next Verse(16)!(17) Many get this verse screwed up as well-Clouds- Huge group.This is why another scripture where the translation is clouds in the KJV is talking of many gather in a cloud to run a foot race!How does that happen in the sky?The scripture above tells us not to teach others to fly to save there souls.Caught up in a group to meet in the air-SPIRIT!(18)This Verse Speaks volumes yet it is short and sweet!
1st Cor.15:44 There is a spiritual and flesh body!The spirit is but a part of the Soul-ones Self breath of God.Spirit is ones intellect.Holy Spirit is divine intellect!That is why God has it , Christ has it and The body of Christ (Some of US)have it.None of these two post disagree with Gods word!One should try to get to the point where they can't only back things up in the word but in the original context of the original languages!Other scripture rapturists like to twist:Dan.12:2& Job.14:13
Dan.12:2-And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt.**To sleep in the dust-To take refuge in things of the world.(John 3:12)**1st John 2:15-17(satan is of the earth and it's elements which will receive DEATH!Col. 2:8(20)
Job.14:13-Who is speaking?Job with human understanding and he is speaking about escaping the problems of the flesh(and being given new life!! We have these answers, for The word came and gave such insight!
Luke.24:5/Jn.11:26/Matt. 22:32/Mk.12:27/Luke 20:38Ecc.9:5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the DEAD know not any thing, neither have they(the dead)any more a reward; for the memory of them(the dead) is forgotten.Also their love, and their hatred, and their(the dead) envy, is NOW perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun.To me this is speaking of the second DEATH at the end of the millennium.That comes after the great white throne of judgement!Those are not remembered and they are blotted out!Perish both spiritually and physically.Lake of fire!(2nd Death-Rev.20:11-15-2nd reserection)
Christ has the victory over satan.satan is called death in Heb.2:14
Hell is refered to in two different contexts in The Word!The lake of fire is THE HEll, the other context is grave (hades) world of the dead(physical gone and spiritually on the wrong side of the gulf)<O.T.(deut-Hab)/Mt.11:23,Mt.16:18,Lk.10:15,Lk.16:23-Acts 2:31,Rev.1:18-20:13
Mt.5:22-Mt.10:28(geenna)/lake of fire Mt.18:9-Mk.9:47,Luke12:5,Jas.3:6,Rev.20:14
Sleep is often in the context of only flesh death!The spirit is far from sleep!Spiritualy asleep means not immortal yet, but an unclean spirit!Not of life(light)truth! The spirit body is incorrutable where the flesh is not. For the spirit body to put on immoratily is to take part in one of the two resurections!
