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5 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2008 - 1:49PM #1
cryfreedom57
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So I just read that Caprica was officially picked up by Sci-Fi last month (I was under the impression that it was still on the shelf), so we can expect to see the backdoor pilot at the end of the year, according to IMDB.

So here's my question: What do you want to get out of the series?

Personally, I'm really interested in delving more into the religious ideas of the colonies, as well as getting to see the actual colonies themselves. It'd be nice to see actual cities and communities after having only really seen the inside of Galactica throughout BSG. And it'll be interesting to see more of how society worked before the attacks on the Cylons, with the social divisions that have been consistently alluded to throughout BSG.  

What about you guys? 

 

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2008 - 11:03AM #2
Apollo
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I'm also intrigued to learn more about the social divisions and institutions of the colonies, as well as their religious ideas, though I fear I'll be disappointed.  I also have mixed feelings about leaning just how the cylons developed intelligence and independence, and went to war against their creators.  I sadly expect some cross between Terminator 3 and Animatrix, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.


Since you're interested in how religous ideas play into the mix, tell me, are you as annoyed as I am at how the writers started out hinting about an interesting cylon monotheistic theology, but then did absolutely nothing to fill in what kind of belief system it was a part of, what sacred texts they might have, or what institutions they've developed around it?  It seems to me they just left it annoyingly hanging there because they loved the irony of having a genocide committed in the name of a loving god, but didn't want to do much else with it ...or is that just me?  Maybe the prequel will do something interesting here ...or not.


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5 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2008 - 3:04PM #3
John_Brooks
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Yeah, I super excited for Caprica.  And I think the timing is actually significant.


As I've alluded to before, I think the the big reveal about the Cylons maybe be that they are in fact not at all we've come to understand them to be.  Like, the narrative of them being robots who evolved is somehow false or at least misleadin. I still can't think of any reasonable way of accounting for Saul, and remember, Saul was the name of Paul before his conversion to Christianity.  What if, in fact, the Cylons are a faith group, not a race, and that "being a Cylon" merely means coming to some sort of revelation about their religion.  (In other words, I wouldn't be surprised at all of the character were suddenly renamed "Paul Tigh" by series end).


If I'm right about this (and I'm convinced that I"m more right that wrong) then Caprica could be interesting because it would be telling a story wherein the audience knows more than the characters do, and so the narrative structure could be very intriguing for US as we watch the origin of the Cylon wars from a very different vantage point.  


I certainly think Eick and Moore have earned the our trust that they won't feed us a half-assed idea.


As to your point, Apollo, I think that's a deliberate and quite canny device, to show that the Cylons are so fundamentally commited to their religion but so unconcerned with justifying why.  It's making a point about the imperialistic history of Christianity as an institution (without attacking anything innate about its validity) and the way that Christianity is taken for granted as empirical fact by (far too many) of its followers.  The contrast of the zealotry of the Cylons to their seeming apparent indifference to spiritual discipline kind of IS the point, whereas skeptics (like Kara) come across as REALLY religious, because, however tenuous, her faith never fully falls away from her.


 

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2008 - 8:50AM #4
Apollo
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Interesting point about contrasting the zealotry of the cylons to their apparent indifference  to spiritual discipline.


We do have some pretty strong reasons to be sure that being a cylon is more than just having a belief system.  For one thing, it's still not clear to me that they have a coherent belief system.  Beyond that, though, there are physiological differences between the humans and the humanoid skin jobs.  Laura Rosliin was cured of breast cancer because of the super-human properties of cylon blood.  Gaius' cylon detection test did work, sort of.  They seem to have greater physical strength and endurance.  And of course they resurrect.  But who knows, maybe there's another explanation for these differences.  I'm open.


 Interesting idea too about Saul Tigh being parallel with the Apostle Paul.  I guess I'd thought of him as parallel with Saul the first king of Israel:  the tall guy in the Book of Samuel who was a brilliant military commander, but ultimately incompetent as a leader because of his mood swings & erratic behavior.  That's also Saul Tigh in a nutshell, as we've come to know him.  If the character is inspired by King Saul, then we might expect some parallel with that Witch of Endor story (which could easily fit with the context; there are plenty of oracles among the humans, and bizarre pronouncements of oracles from those cylon hybrids).  But maybe there's some sort of Road to Damascus experience in store for him, instead.  Fun stuff.  We'll see what happens.


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5 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2008 - 4:24PM #5
McBlue
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Quick point on John's post about the Saul Tigh / Paul Tigh connection: In the original series, Galactica's XO was in fact named Paul Tigh.
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5 years ago  ::  May 01, 2008 - 7:26AM #6
Apollo
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Interesting.  I didn't remember that detail from the original series.  If there's a parallel with Paul of Tarsus, boy, there are any number of things you could point to as his "thorn in the flesh" aren't there!  Still, the coupling of his military brilliance and his moodiness & leadership ineptitude do run a close parallel with King Saul in the Book of Samuel.  He's a little on the tall side, too.  I just must have blinked during the scene when he threw a spear at a younger guy playing a lyre.  Well, no reason the writers couldn't draw from both characters.  Do we anticipate some sort of Damascus Road bright light & mysterious voice thing with him, then?  If so, to whom would he defect afterward, as Paul defected to the Christians?  Would he discover his true "inner cylon"?  Then again, the writers are ultimately doing their own thing with this series; they don't need to push any parallels further than they want.
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5 years ago  ::  May 04, 2008 - 10:51PM #7
MedKit77
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Has anyone considered the fact that the ships are called "Resurrection" ships? This also ties in with the Christianity theory/mythos.

And it is quite fascinating how the Cylons treat their belief system. They are like the bumper sticker I've seen on some cars "God said it, I believe it, end of story" (I, myself prefer "Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?" :) )

They don't question their beliefs, they just believe them. But from some of the hints during conversations held on the Cylon ships, especially with Cavil, I have to wonder if their "God" isn't a real person or entity, and not just some mythical being that they're believing in. That might explain their lack of need to explain or justify "him".

And what of their hybrid? She/it is more like the Oracle of Delphi than she is any Christian construct that I can think of. And that's another mystery. I suppose we'll find out more about her/it this week.

And it's interesting that in all their talk about "God", there has been no discussion of hell. Hmm.

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5 years ago  ::  May 11, 2008 - 5:40PM #8
SilverComet
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At first when I heard of the sequel, I was not as excited, but listening to your views especially the religious belief of the colonies, and I would like to learn more about it.  Everyone is comparing Christianity, but going back to the beginning of BSG when the found the key on Cobol, the Twelve were names of Greek gods.  Did anyone else notice this. 
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5 years ago  ::  May 13, 2008 - 4:26PM #9
John_Brooks
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ERIC STOLTZ!


ERIC STOLTZ!!!!


 :)


 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i5e732e045deaaba399231a2e4f4d3b79

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5 years ago  ::  May 15, 2008 - 8:23AM #10
MedKit77
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It's sounding more and more interesting. If they have the same writers, and stay faithful to the story-telling methods they're using with BSG, I'll be a devoted watcher. I'd love to delve more into the politics, mythos, and mindset of the BSG universe. Having watched the original program (yes, I AM that old :P ) I have to say that I much prefer this one. That one was okay for it's time, but really, the only word I can think of to describe it now was "hokey". It was kind of network TVs answer to Star Wars and while it had some high points, it had some pretty low points too. (Boxey and the Daggit - saccharin cuteness - need I say more?) Of course, for closet sci-fi nerds like myself (I hadn't come out of the closet yet, because I was a GIRL and I LIKED SCI-FI, a thing unheard of), it was a lifeline in a pretty dark and empty sea.

Ah well, forgive me for waxing poetic. I'm just really pleased that I am around to watch this version, because it's the best written and most topical series on TV right now. People who don't watch it or dismiss it as "just another sci-fi" show, or dismiss it for any other reason really don't have a clue.

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